New 55,000 Euro tonearm

i ordered the Primary Control FCL tone arm in January from the Netherlands, and should receive it next week. this arm uses field coil loading for the bearing.

https://www.primarycontrol.nl/Field_Coil_Loaded_Unipivot_Tonearm.html

a friend who also has the big SAT tone arm on hand being discussed here to compare directly, prefers the FCL. not cheap; the FCL arm has a US Retail of over $30k. that same friend also prefers the Durand Tosca to the big SAT. i use 2 of the Tosca’s in my system. it’s priced around $15k USD.

just received a field coil cartridge, the DaVa Reference (from Lithuania), which i’m starting to explore. the DaVa is not cheap but will not break the bank.....at around 6k Euro's plus the power supply which as a field coil it needs. ordered that in early January.

That is a very interesting arm Mike.  It appears to be a much more sophisticated version of magnetic stabilization and damping than Graham’s use of permanent magnets.  Please do continue to keep us apprised on the arm and the field coil cartridge.  I have heard a couple of such cartridges and both were very dynamic sounding.

Typical.

 

If you have not heard it, used it or examined it it person, then all you are doing is posting an uninformed opinion.

 

 

Just for the record, Larry, I did not use the word ”should” in reference to the desired location of the pivot and CW to the LP surface. I only said, or intended to say, that those are two theoretical goals of a modern design. I probably should have further qualified my statement with the words “for some”. I agree there are not many tonearms that achieve both goals. I think there is less controversy around the idea that the center of mass of the CW ought to lie in the plane of the LP surface. Decoupling of the CW mass from the pivot is good too. The late Herb Papier, the original designer and maker of the Triplanar and a very dedicated audiophile, told me that he thought the major improvement he made to the design of the TP after it was finalized and in production was to decouple the CW.

@clearthinker wrote:

@optimize If you are getting extra bass from LPs, your funk Houdini (nearly the right name) is probably just adding resonance (NOT subtracting it as you say). You are not getting more of what's in the groove; the resonance is just amplifying it. Take it off, bin it and get back to listening to the music.

OK I started to think where did you get that info and how can you get to that conclusion that I should just "bin it"...

 

So according to you and your expertise (I regard you as a expert, when you're able to diagnose what my stylus does in the grove and giving advice to throw things in the bin when you know what is god or not.)

 

Because you reacted to one conclusion i did:

"If you are getting extra bass from LPs"

OK this is not my primary language and I can't paint a nice picture for you that you would like with words.

I do not have that ability to describe nuance like that. As the journalists in the magazines below because it's their job to write a lot of fluffy words that I almost don't understand..

 

But let us go back to the topic the SAT cf1-09:

the absolute sound 

Wrote:

The same for the piano bass line, which simply appeared to go even deeper than I had experienced before.

And:

On a nifty Storyville LP called The Target the marvelous Danish bassist Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen’s bass came oozing into the room with sumptuous harmonic overtones. Then there was KC and the Sunshine band’s rendition of “That’s the Way (I Like It), on the new Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab’s silver label. The combination of the unprecedented alacrity of the SAT tonearm coupled with sledgehammer bass that came juddering into my room was nothing less than intoxicating. Yeah, baby!

I guess you like that color full text above..

 

Another test:

In stereophile

the album has stupendous, deep, powerful bass

Another example:

The combo of original SAT and Ortofon MC Century produced among the best reproductions of this 1987 recording I've heard, especially its bass power and control. I swapped in the new SAT LM-09, and played and recorded the track again.

(Above is apparently another SAT model in their range but the objective is to see if a better tonearms may or may not give better/more bass.)

 

So in your expertise if anyone happened to own this tone arm in question: SAT cf1-09

Owners of SAT cf1-09 should "bin it" in your logic. 

When it apparently have the ability to "getting extra bass".

It is good to know that we have a humble expert here that we can lean on without owning and living with a houdini or SAT cf1-09 I presume.