Vandersteen Forum


I bought an older pair of Vandersteen 2Ce and did not like them. Found out one woofer was crackling (what I did not like was poor tweeter and midrange). I went onto the Vandersteen forum to see if changing a component or two would better the sound than 25 year old speakers. In 2022 almost anyones speakers sound better than 25 year old Vandersteen technology. 
The replies raised my eyebrows. I was just wondering if anyone else has had any experience with that forum and did they find it cult-like or is it just me?

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Lets also take a moment to clear up some factual errors;

I’m unsure whether the OP cares about facts or factual errors.

 

Yes, Richard is extensively involved in designing elements of drivers, including many unique drivers partially fabricated in CA by Vandersteen Audio. He ( not Scanspeak, etc ) holds the Vandersteen unique patents. For fun have a look at the Vandy website, the 5A and 7 mk2 use a Vandersteen designed push pull titanium subwoofer driver, lots of tricks there… Vandy owns the tooling to produce it.

The OP was stating how easy it would be stuff his drivers in there, and end up with a better speaker

And as I recall RV told him it is a free country and if he wanted to make better speakers he was free to do so.

So I am doubting that the OP is overly enthusiastic about sticking to facts.

 

 

Every second 10,000 sine waves are arriving to your ear That is 29,979, 245, 800,000 nanometers in a vacuum.

I hate to be another bearer of facts, but light travels at ~3^8 meters/second.
Giving all the significant digits of resolution and precision is great… but let’s dumb it down to approximations.
- Light travels about 1 foot per nanosecond.

However sound is known to travel only at the speed of sound... which is not the same as the speed of light.

Sound travels about 1 foot per millisecond in air… so it is a million times slower than light, and sound also doesn’t travel well in a vacuum.

I believe that using the correct speed of sound may be an important concept for designing speakers, or improving upon your model 2 speakers.

(Maybe the 2C has the C part referring to the speed of light?)

Just wanted to mention that YouTuber Steve Gutenberg said he'll be reviewing some Vandersteen speakers (didn't say which ones) later this year. Should be interesting. 

He mentioned that he liked previous ones and has known the owner for years and years and years. 

Any forum has its regular Joe’s, don’t worry, just keep at it.

every,forum I started at, was hazed, belittled, poked fun of for punctuation, the brands I like,  their just having fun, just keep writing there, you will fit in.

 

 Hell,avs, Conrad Johnson, Cerwin Vega, audio circle, all had some smart butt things, it will pass. Enjoy. Cheers.

I have no issue with the OP and Richard didn't either.  Richard has zero problem with anyone who wants to change his designs by installing other drivers or guys who want to rip the speakers down and take off teh socks and poles and paint them black etc...

He was very specific about that as folks own them and can do whatever they want to with them.  The issue I have is when folks modify someones design, you shouldn't start posting how you don't like them etc.. if you do, please let people know that they aren't really a Vandersteen speaker (or add any other product) anymore.  I feel that's fair.

You just got very defensive quickly when I told you he was the designer and you kept asking who the engineer was. That was answered prior and you just went on a rant about the designer not being an engineer.  

Other posters from that board have already make salient points about your posting.  We did try to help you as we try to help everyone (Richard included) and you wanted nothing of it or you would have gone to the other threads where all your questions had already been asked and answered. You didn't come off as genuine as all you kept posted about was an associates degree in engineering (although I believe you made it seem like it was a 4 year degree) adn then telling us all more than a couple of times how you are a spine surgeon.  You then always say how that doesn't matter.  I COMPLETELY agree with you. It DOESN'T....  

You are the first person that's ever had a post taken down and also the first to be banned.  If you were serious about your questions and really wanted help getting your very old and used speakers into true Vandersteen working order (to save the time and phase correctness that we Vandersteen owners loves and why we come off as cultish), you would have done that, but as I said, you didn't even try to take the kind help that we all tried to share.

I'm not surprised that you immediately came to Audiogon to try and get folks to support you.  I hope and pray that you are as honorable as you claim and tell anyone looking to buy yoru speakers that you share the true condition of the speakers and don't take advantage of someone the way you may or may not have been taken advantage of (you did overpay for them by a lot and when Richard was honest with you, that's when tenor of your posts changed. I've known Richard since the early 80's and he's as honest as it gets in this business and he's also very direct.  It does turn off many folks, but I personally love that about him. I wish more in audio were as honest as he is.

I'm glad you found a pair of B&W and I honestly hope you paid a fair price and live with them forever.  IT's all about the music and having fun with it.  

Enjoy the music.