Joseph Audio Perspective2 vs Harbeth SHL5+


I currently own Harbeth SHL5+ and I’m generally very happy with them. I’m driving them with Audio Hungary a50i tube amp (50 watts class A) and don’t feel that the amp struggles at all. I have an opportunity to buy a used pair of Joseph Audio Perspective2 Graphene in excellent condition. Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to compare the JA Perspective2 with SHL5+. From what I understand they sound quite different but I’m not sure how. The Perspectives are obviously quite a bit more expensive than the Harbeths but I understand that this doesn’t automatically imply that they are better. Someone told me that the Perspective 2 is more in Harbeth 40.x league instead of SHL5+.

As good as the SHL5+ are, I do sometimes yearn for a wider and deeper soundstage with bigger bass (although I have a pair of REL S/510s to supplement). I would really appreciate if people who have made the move from SHL5+ to JA Perespective2 Graphene, or vice versa, can share their impressions.

Note: My room is 20 x 15 with 12 foot high ceilings. The speakers will be placed along the short wall. I can pull them out by 4 feet from the front wall and about 2 feet from the side walls. My room is treated with GIK panels. My biggest concern is whether my AH Qualiton a50i will be able to drive the Joseph Audios well.

 

arafiq

@arafiq

 

Regarding the Harbeth vocal magic...

You may find you actually prefer the Joseph speakers, even in that regard.

It was actually hearing vocals on some Joseph speakers that got me interested!

I’m always comparing the sound of real voices to reproduced. It’s a habit. So when I audition speakers, or go to audio shows, there’s usually people talking.

When I’m listening to one of the inevitable demos with vocal tracks, I close my eyes and compare the sound to real voices I can hear talking, and it always reveals how artifical the voice is coming through the speakers. Voices sound "off" tonally, timbrally, compared to the organic timbre and tonal color of real human voices.

It’s actually been the Harbeth speakers that have tended to "pass" this test best at some shows.

However I was at one show (Montreal I think) and had entered the Joseph Audio room, with Jeff Joseph there (IIRC) and the Pearl speakers. There was a vocal acapella track playing. It completely startled me. It wasn’t so much that the voices were so clear and vivid. Vivid sound was typical in such speaker demos. Rather it was the pure realism and accuracy, the naturalness of the timbre of the voices. It just sounded bang on to the warm, organic timbre of real voices. It passed the "close my eyes test compare with real voices" with flying colors.

I was so blown away it led me to seek out Joseph Speakers at a local dealer, and again I heard a similar mesmerizing quality from the Pulsars, then the Perspectives. And again I was amazed by vocals. The Joseph speakers are so pure of grain and revealing of timbre that I found they actually made female voices sound more distinctly "female," male more distinctly "male." It’s very hard to describe what I’m talking about, but female recorded voices tend to be extra sibilant, and the sibilance can exaggerate any hash a speaker might have in that region, giving a slightly obscuring chalky coloration. The Joseph speakers sort of slightly wipe away the grain so even if it’s a sibilant recording, the subtle timbre of the vocalist is revealed with more purity. In that way female vocals sounded less artificial and more like...well...a female singing :-)

Of course, this is how it sounds to my ears. YMMV.

But again, on the flip side, the vocal presentation on the Joseph speakers is not the "BBC vocals" you get from Spendors or Harbeth. With the Harbeth theres that slightly added richness, palpability and density for voices. I found with the Harbeths (like my Spendor S3/5s which I still own) that there was always a human being singing in the mix, even if the recording wasn’t the most natural. So even electronica or pop with processed vocals, it was still human sounding in the sense of having that organic softness and body.

The Joseph speakers, in that sense, will be more recording dependent. An artificial recording will sound artificial, but very timbrally clear. A vocal recording with some richness will sound rich. Harbeth are more consistent from recording to recording in making vocals sound human in certain aspects.

So for vocals, it really depends on what the individual keys in on, because the JA and Harbeth speakers each capture some aspect of the real thing better than the other. The JA revealing more purity of timbre, the Harbeth adding a very life-like richness to vocals.

If you hear the Perspectives I’d be very curious as to whether your impressions are similar to mine. You never know.

@prof 

The OP is using a 50W tube amp to drive the Harbeths. If I recall correctly, you were using CJ tubed monoblocks as your main power amp? Can you comment on the power requirement for the JA's? Do you feel like they need more power to sound their best?

Thanks for the help.

urbie

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your first mistake is putting your system on the short wall you should be firing it down the length of the room the second mistake is not isolating your speakers from all vibration, get the Townshend podiums, they get rid of all the room problems so you won't have to waste time putting up all that crap around your room.

If the system is on the short wall, it is firing down the length of the room. I think you meant to say something else.

 

voodoochillin,

My experience with the JA speakers and lower powered amps is limited.

In the store they sounded stellar with both SimAudio and Mcintosh tubes amps.

I can’t remember if it was the Mcintosh 75W or 150W tube amps.

Though I think I was probably most impressed with the JA speakers with the Simaudio amps. Best grip and control, but still super smooth and beautiful sounding.

At home I’ve only used them with my 140W CJ tube monoblocks, which work beautifully with the Perspectives. I did some long direct comparisons of the CJs vs a Bryston 4B3 amp in my system and the Perspectives sounded excellent with both, a bit more grip in the bass and solidity to transients etc with the Bryston, but overall I definitely preferred the tube amps for the more fleshed out relaxed sound, though the CJs also provide plenty of guts and punch.

I still don't really know about the JA ultimate requirement for power.  In principle, unless you play them super loud a lot, a well designed lower power tube amp should work well with the impedance, despite the lower sensitivity.

Note that the Soundstage Pulsar reviewer used an 80W tube amp with the Pulsars and raved, and the Part Time Audiophile reviewer reported his most satisfactory results with a 25W SS amp in class A mode.