Paypal...buyer protection fees didnt help me

Agree with SNS.  Move quickly.  a claim a week or more later is always suspeicious.  I sold an amp.  2 weeks later they guy messages me that it won't power up.  He had messaged me when he got it and said he would put it in service the next day so I was immediately suspicious.   Not a paypal deal but they would be suspicious too.

Turned out to be operator error and I was able to help him figure it out.  I'm only posting this because the 2 week delay make me immediately suspicious.  Turns out he's 80 and needed help to move it.  

So if you need help, have it lined up when the amp gets there.

Paypal would have stood by you if it was a black and white issue such as "doesn't work".  Your claim is a probably interpreted by paypal as an opinion that it works but doesn't sound right.  Frame your claim in the correct words.

Jerry

@missioncoonery 

So sorry to hear!  After hearing your story and a few others, I’m thinking I’m through buying from individuals.

JD

  If waiting 14 days to file with PP makes me suspect then so be it but i find it rather ridiculous to suggest that. I could have filed that Sunday when we first hooked it up.I wanted to give the seller and the amp its due diligence before screaming which is what I did.Keep in mind what PP requested was'nt simply getting some self employed guy  working in his garage to look at it,they requested a detailed printed form from an authorized repair facility..and im in no where mid west,I dont even have a movie theater in my town.The 2 facilities within several driving hours of me both said no.It wasnt as simple as putting a stamp on the crate and dropping it in the mail box..It had to go 2200 miles one way,inspected and returned all within a week.As a long time power seller on Ebay I know they give buyers minimum 30 days to return anything for any reason.It was'nt buyers remorse with me,the amp has an issue and i paid for that protection if some thing was wrong reguardless if it was dropped,kicked,punted in shipping,the reason is really irrelevant to me.I paid for a "described as mint unit" with hard earned funds.I paid for that buyer protection and PP didnt not cover me ..Ill get the unit going again and hopefully enjoy what I hear but i will say this....My used gear buying days are about over with.thanks

Well, we're all on your side, all sounds reasonable to us. But paypal and/or person you purchased from not us. Your entire story could just be a story as far as they know. I'd be just like Carlsbad if someone waited 14 days to tell me something I sold suddenly wasn't working correctly. I'd assume  component was operating correctly upon receipt, something went wrong in those intervening days, operator error or ? Now, they may relate a story such as yours, hard to say if I'd believe or not, telephone conversation would help in this determination.

The thing is we don't know if seller knew beforehand or damage occurred in transit? Another good reason to develop personal dialogue with person doing transaction with, many won't conduct transaction without prior telephone conversation.

@missioncoonery , this is right on the Paypal site:

You also have the option of self filing in small claims. Usually just the threat is enough. You also have the ability to file a claim against Paypal itself.

This is the wording in their agreement,

Step 3: Respond to PayPal’s requests for documentation or other information, after you, the seller or PayPal escalates your dispute to a claim for reimbursement. PayPal may require you to provide receipts, third party evaluations, police reports or other documents that PayPal specifies. You must respond to these requests in a timely manner as requested in our correspondence with you.

As we are still working in an economy severely affected by the pandemic, what the court considers as a "timely matter" is likely to be much different from what Paypal tries to enforce on you. As they have not put explicit time limits in advance that I can tell, then you will have a case based solely on this.

They also define 3rd party evaluations. An authorized repair facility is a 3rd party w.r.t. you and the seller, but I think, again given the force majeur of a pandemic, that the court may also see insisting on specific 3rd parties and not someone simply skilled and qualified, as unjustifiably limiting. Again, as they have not defined that well in advance, it works to your favor in court.

As noted, there is still the credit card to fall back on if too late. This often comes down to being the squeaky wheel. At a start, I would still see if there is a kind repair technician or engineer somewhere near you who can take a basic measurement. This will help you with your credit card filing, and if you file small claims.

For all those complaining that you took too long to file, I will remind them that by the Paypal agreement you have 180 days.