I bought audio quest cables once I had to re-terminate them when I removed the pretty cable cover under was the cheap AQ wire they bulk discounted I showed this to the AQ sales rep he just smiled at me. Now Cardas are wonderful to deal with as has been Nordost. I once had a long run of costly Nordost chewed a bit by my puppy I sent them to Nordost they repaired free of charge.
Counterfeit Chinese Cables
I thought that I would write this for those who are curious about one of the many counterfeit Chinese interconnect cables that are available these days. I know that there have been threads about the subject before, and I was always curious because they seem to be such a bargain. I don't really recall much about what any members actually said about the performance of these counterfeit cables, and I didn't look back and do any research, but a couple of months ago there was a thread that came around to discussing the quality of Chinese made components, and oldhvymec said something that made sense to me.
He said that people that say that what they are making is junk should consider that much of what is in our gear, and a lot of our American brands are actually manufactured there. I decided shortly after that that I would take the chance on a set of interconnects, because I suspected that the interconnects going from my pre to my amp were the weak link and needed upgrading. The interconnects going from my DAC to my pre were Kimber Select which are very good, but the other set were LAT International (now defunct) which had cost $500.00 when new, but I had reason to believe they were lacking because I have one of their digital cables that turned out to be very poor sounding in comparison to others I own.
I decided on a one meter pair of counterfeit Nordost Odin interconnects for a total of $104.00 from Aliexpress. I received them a couple of weeks later. They appeared to be well made, and the locking fake WBT rca's were very impressive and are very tight.
First impressions after installing them were light, thin sound, lacking bass. Each couple of days brought improvements, but from the beginning I noticed that they were quieter. Now, weeks later, I can say that they are drastically better that the LAT's in every way. Detail and ambience are much better, but it's the focus and separation of instruments that is most noticeable.
I have no way of knowing if they are really a copy of the Nordost design, but I am impressed enough that I am going to try a counterfeit Nordost digital cable.
Obviously, this isn't a comparison that is useful to most, because there probably isn't anyone here using the LAT's, and everything is system dependent. I just wanted to relay my positive experience.
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@theaudioamp You assume these people principled. On what grounds? Nah, they're just picking and choosing, not consistent. Or, is it they're principled due to assumption they have truth on their side? We've already established the counterfeit cables are not theft, consumers not being misled. Take the sellers of these items to court and prove harms if it indeed theft. Until adjudicated in court these sellers not guilty and/or involved in theft. And guess what, these cables have been around for years, no one's being fooled, they know exactly what they're getting.
To repeat, the only fraud being perpetuated is from those selling fakes, passing them off a real, selling at price of real item. |
@rolox As I stated before, nothing to do with race or country. Yes I do live my life to the code of ethics and integrity. The money you spent on fakes could have bought a quality cable from a small North American or EU manufacturer that is not stealing IP and or Trademarks.
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People are so entitled that they will buy fake Nordost incorporating stolen intellectual property, as opposed to something made competently and without stolen IP. They feel they are "entitled" to have access to this intellectual property even though they have no paid for it.
@sns , these "companies" are taken to court all the time by those that are harmed (the companies owning the IP). Individuals rarely are due to the low cost/benefit.
I personally find it disgusting the hoops people go through to justify this is okay. But maybe if you have never created anything of value, you won't understand. |
Why do we have to go over and over the difference between fakes and these knock off or counterfeit cables. The fakes are theft, the knock offs or counterfeit are a known, people are purchasing with full knowledge, eyes wide open. Again, if there are harms or patent infringement, prove it in court.
And how do you know these cables not quality, many posts here attest to value proposition.
Its quite transparent much of this antagonism towards these sellers is due to nationalist biases. No anger amongst the snake oil proponents for 'theft' by snake oil manufacturers and sellers charging big bucks, and all this anger towards foreign sellers hardly making a buck selling these relatively low priced cables! Something other than rip off of consumers at work here. |
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