We Can Make Classic Cars Outperform Today's "SuperCars": Why Not Vintage Audio?


If you spent $2M on a modern "Supercar", you’d arrive at the end of a quarter mile 2 football fields behind the quickest highly-modified "street legal" cars from the muscle car era. You could show up at an Autocross event in your late model "track ready" sports sedan, and be embarrassed by a lady pushing a 1986 Monte Carlo between the cones.

There’s a lot of resources and talent in the automotive aftermarket. Many of the brightest minds earned weekly paychecks in their "past lives" at major auto manufacturers. There are various disciplines involved including complete engine and drive train replacements, serious add-on/mods to existing components, bigger/better brakes, track-ready suspensions, etc. They can even slide a complete new high-performance rolling chassis underneath popular models.

So, why not vintage audio? Well, we do dip our toes into this a bit. There are popular speaker crossover replacements for the DYI crowd. But, these fall sonically short of their contemporary "high end" counterparts. The automotive equivalent of replacing a 2 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold with a 4 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold -- while keeping the original single exhaust system intact. We can do simple mods to improve the sonics -- like upgrading an original power cord that you wouldn’t want to use on a 2-splice toaster, much less a high-current amplifier. The really smart guys need to come to the rescue for true audiophile grade solutions.

Understandably there has to be a "high give a s--- factor" related to this. The speed parts industry is fueled by a wildly enthusiastic crowd while vintage audio owners are, like: "whatever". So, the chances of a superb $5k amp/preamp module that drops into a Marantz 1060 chassis and slays any modern gear near it’s price point may not be coming to a town near you anytime soon.

I think this can be incremental if we put our minds and wallets to it. You "car guys" know there are 3 basic types of collector cars. "Showroom stock" represents as close as possible the vehicle as it rolled off the assembly line. "Personalized" generally follows a stock appearance with performance and cosmetic improvements. Generally speaking, the car can be reverted to showroom stock at some point the future. All the original parts are carefully cataloged and placed in safe storage. "Modified" has the appearance of a race car, and performs like one. Often modifications to metal are performed, and in some cases there’s no going back. We can follow similar guidelines as well. We understand the motivation to keep things "stock". We can also understand the audiophiles that love their vintage gear would be open to the concept of a significantly better listening experience while maintaining a stock appearance and functionality. Chopping up an Auburn is a really bad idea. But, upgrading the input terminals on an integrated amplifier may be highly palatable for those cherished collectables.

I also get it that the ROI would be questionable. An amp that has a current market value of $2k with $5k worth of mods might still be worth $2k -- or less.

What say you?

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Great topic! Of course in a straight line or maybe a oblong track, a car w/ enough horsepower (& high octane fuel) / weight ratio can go really fast & at its extreme needs a parachute to help stop it.

Put that older, really fast car in an F -1 style race where there’s twists, turns, continual acceleration & deceleration & it would get lapped a few times over before a race was completed. 
 

That scenario is more akin to audio reproduction that a simple drag strip. Today’s high quality audio components are better in every way compared to vintage maybe except for relative cost. The “straight line”, audio equivalent might be the old Altec, Voice of the Theater” lineup, old Klipschorns, old Western Electric horns etc can can still “smoke” most modern speakers for sheer dynamics & overall volume.  
 

That said, isn’t the current Mac M275 power amp a perfect example of the original subject matter? 60 year old design now w/ upgraded w/better components that sound better although it’s actually hard to know how much better because who has a brand new, original version to compare to today’s?

I disagree. Life is short. If it is in a museum, then it should be completely stock and original, but if I am listening to it every day I want it to sound as good as possible. 

Great topic! Of course in a straight line or maybe a oblong track, a car w/ enough horsepower (& high octane fuel) / weight ratio can go really fast & at its extreme needs a parachute to help stop it.

Put that older, really fast car in an F -1 style race where there’s twists, turns, continual acceleration & deceleration & it would get lapped a few times over before a race was completed. 
 

That scenario is more akin to audio reproduction that a simple drag strip. Today’s high quality audio components are better in every way compared to vintage maybe except for relative cost. The “straight line”, audio equivalent might be the old Altec, Voice of the Theater” lineup, old Klipschorns, old Western Electric horns etc can can still “smoke” most modern speakers for sheer dynamics & overall volume.  

Yeah. @jonwolfpell …

It is like selecting the amp with the highest slew rate.
 

Voice of the Theater, Old Klipschorns, or old Wester Electric horns are absolutely inferior to modern pro gear in every way. Some get nostalgia points for home audio, and having owned a pair of classic A7s for years (pro use) I will say those things had a nice "wooden" sort or sound. But as a modern live sound mixer who's been around a while I can safely say modern stuff, phased arrays, simple 2 way monitors, powered subs, very powerful and reliable amps...all much, much better. Also my modern hifi rig with Pass Labs, Schiit, Linn, blah blah sounds insanely good relative to historical stuff.

It is not how fast you go, but how you go fast.

It is impossible to make an old 911 handle nearly as well as a newer one. There are very few vintage pieces worth owning from a performance perspective. For the most part it is just cheap nostalgia (and sometimes not so cheap!)