Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

We do not have to prove anything.  Subjective is a personal appraisal based on our own senses and perception.  He cannot measure what we can hear, and certainly not with the rinky-dink equipment that he is using.  That has been proven- just not on his channel since it does not fit his agenda.  

His channel is about controversy which brings him lots of hits to his channel which translates into income.  That is what he is about.

Just don’t interect with ASR. They’re very rude (unless you agree with them).

@djones51 Is excellent advice.

Quite so. ASR exists and will continue to do so for those who desire information and education which is demonstrably not acceptable to many on this forum.

Why do people here who have an issue with ASR even bother looking at what ASR has to convey about a product?

Like anti-smokers or a long standing smoker of a range of brands based on their taste or aroma and other subjective qualities maintaining their angst about a site that discusses the best brands of cigarettes or tobacco based on a chemical analysis of the cigarettes or tobacco (there are several thousand chemicals). Of course the best brands site will block you.

And this is an issue? Why?

This is predominately an American forum, and I am not an American so I don’t even pretend to understand.

This is the ASR skeptic methodology;

STEP 1 - Demand X product show electronic test measured proof of improvement.
STEP 2 - If X product does produce such measurements, demand DBT test showing this improvement is audible.
STEP 3 - Repeat step 1.

Amir and his cultists are the real life of the party.

@agisthos Amir and his cultists are the real life of the party.

Exactly, which "party" do you speak of?

I know you can , because you have been very careful in what you feel as the defining the thresholds required by competent engineers.

Step 2 is open to interpretation.  DBT is another topic - not a bullet point.

ASR is fun for everyone. All they really test is low end value line equipment unless a member sends in.

Think he was referencing the Dead Man’s Party.