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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
noske
783 posts
 

Just don’t interect with ASR. They’re very rude (unless you agree with them).

@djones51 Is excellent advice.

Quite so. ASR exists and will continue to do so for those who desire information and education which is demonstrably not acceptable to many on this forum.

Why do people here who have an issue with ASR even bother looking at what ASR has to convey about a product?

Like anti-smokers or a long standing smoker of a range of brands based on their taste or aroma and other subjective qualities maintaining their angst about a site that discusses the best brands of cigarettes or tobacco based on a chemical analysis of the cigarettes or tobacco (there are several thousand chemicals). Of course the best brands site will block you.

And this is an issue? Why?

This is predominately an American forum, and I am not an American so I don’t even pretend to understand.

agisthos
507 posts
 

This is the ASR skeptic methodology;

STEP 1 - Demand X product show electronic test measured proof of improvement.
STEP 2 - If X product does produce such measurements, demand DBT test showing this improvement is audible.
STEP 3 - Repeat step 1.

Amir and his cultists are the real life of the party.

noske
783 posts
 

@agisthos Amir and his cultists are the real life of the party.

Exactly, which "party" do you speak of?

I know you can , because you have been very careful in what you feel as the defining the thresholds required by competent engineers.

Step 2 is open to interpretation.  DBT is another topic - not a bullet point.

juanmanuelfangioii
958 posts
 

ASR is fun for everyone. All they really test is low end value line equipment unless a member sends in.

Think he was referencing the Dead Man’s Party.

 

djones51
4,947 posts
 

We do not have to prove anything.

Here or on most forums this is true, on ASR it's true to the extent you don't keep insisting your subjective experience relates to anything other than your subjective experience without any controlled testing to substantiate it which is what leads to bans as nobody there is interested in anecdotal narratives. 

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