Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

I've not read this entire thread so excuse me for chiming in late. However, according to ASR, my old Amp was fantastic and the new Amp is a bag of crap.

My ears say different and the sound makes me smile.

That's all that matters.

Take every review with a pinch of salt and use them to build a picture of the things you should try. Then try them, see how it works for you, keep what you like and lose what you don't. That's the fun of the hobby.

If you find reviewers that you largely agree with based on your experience of the products then you can lean towards them more, but never trust a review completely as everyone has different ears!

Then enjoy the music, That's the point of the hobby.

ASR is pretty toxic though, it's an echo chamber and if you don't agree you will get "bullied". Not worth the button clicks for me.

"It is not uncommon for people who are American to forget that much of the rest of the world operates on variants of 240V (220, 230) and 50 Hz."
As someone who purports to "review" equipment, you have to be pretty stupid to make this mistake. This is the same guy who tried to measure the interference to a  cable without having it plugged into anything. Nice try though, Noske.

@noske  

Audio precision is used by many and the measurements don't always end up the same. Amir always seems to be in a big hurry when he is measuring audiophile equipment, which isn't a good idea.

The guy isn't a scientist, he is an ex Microsoft employee turned audio dealer. Real science is published in peer reviewed journals.

I really admire ASR and Amir's reviews. It stands to reason that there is a scientific, measurable and objective way to rate audio components. But, we live at a time where people are hostile to science, and prefer subjectivity. In a recent review Amir examined a fancy USB cable and determined that it didn't perform any better than a generic one from Amazon that cost $8. The manufacturer made all sorts of extravagant claims about the expensive cable that were simply unprovable. 

But if the people here who like LPs, tube equipment, and expensive components that don't measure up so what? Beauty is in the eye--or ear--of the beholder--or listener. There isn't anything wrong with liking a particular sound even if it is the result of distortion. Expensive cables and such are really cool even though they most likely do nothing to enhance sound. But all this is insufficient reason to castigate Amir and his adherents. I am extremely pleased with the components I am currently using, all of which he recommended. All this is really tempest in a teapot.