Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@amir_asr

Ok

Have you compared the components of the equipment sent to you by Yang with actual off the shelf components?

Why do you not review reliability? There is a thread on ASR where 39%of Topping amp owners complain about problems. You disappeared and John Yang ran away.

Why do you allow Yang to come on your site and rubbish manufacturers and designers?

There are three to start off with that you ignored before."We have grown to one of the top audio sites in the world. " I won't comment on this but am chuckling to myself.

 

Please, continue give us better and better measurements of audio products. Especially speakers real-life behaviour. Fine to discuss subjective impressions but I want facts.

@amir_asr 

In other cases such as speakers and headphones, perfection is not remotely there

 agreed

I think your disconnect is that you believe marketing hype

I think YOUR disconnect is you believe your own hype

You know, what every audio company claims with out a single shred of proof.  No listening tests for example that demonstrates anything.

You just made that up, for example you must know how Harman tests speakers and other products with blind listening tests. Do you think they invented it?

What is remarkable is that in audio, person after person comes to the defense of manufacturers,

You mean instead of attacking them like you do?

So much money is wasted because consumers have put their guard down completely and joined the other camp!

I could say the same thing, so much money has been wasted by the members of ASR on worthless name badges for their avatars, they could have saved so much money. Why do they come to the defense of someone writing sloppy reviews?

Show them independent testing and they scuff at that.  "Oh, this means nothing can be invented then.

You do "independent" testing? Please post a link to something of yours in a peer reviewed journal like AES. Science, etc. BTW, links to the patents you have filed on your inventions would be nice too.

You might think you can hear my toilet flush from where you live, but you can't really.

That analogy just got a headless panther and it is starting to sound a bit desperate. I will cut you some slack but please, let's not go there, OK?

 Why not spend your extra cash on music? Or a nice meal?  Or a vacation?  Must you go and waste it away on some new power cable? A DAC?  Why oh why?

We are not all "financially independent" audio dealers like you that believe the subjective experience is a "fantasy" as you describe it. If you are so interested in my money start a new website, maybe "How to Get Rich Selling Subjective Fantasy's" (or name badges). It sounds very demeaning when you come here as a guest and proceed to start telling the actual members how to spend their money after flaunting your wealth in a previous post.

 

 

 

 

 

@amir_asr

I could ignore you all but thought there was so much misinformation that I should stop by and clarify.

You had to come here because this thread would be immediately taken down and everyone would be banned on your site. If you disagree keep open debates over at ASR and stop banning everyone. Then we could discuss on both sites. It would make your site better if you "listen" .

There is no technical topic that I am afraid of engaging in.  

There are tons of technical questions in this thread that you seem to have avoided which is fine, I understand. But there are other threads on this site of a technical nature, No one is stopping you from technical debates here, when are you going to start? 

 

I don’t find ASR or Amir objectionable, just irrelevant for my purposes and for many who frequent Audiogon. Why is everyone slamming him. I believe HE believes sincerely in his approach. Its like a good housekeeping seal of approval for a certain level of gear. Whats wrong with that? Some have a little too much time here, however, I might tune in if Amir and Danny squared off for a pillow fight.