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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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nonoise
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You can edit within a 30 minute time window. 👍

axo1989
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Got it, thanks.

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If I had to describe my place in this division, I would say I’m looking at a much bigger picture. I work with the end product, the sound that comes out of my loudspeakers. I’m working for a sound that pleases me. Mr. Amir is looking at the microscopic details, the grain of the wood, if you will, and I’m assembling an entire landscape. The tools I use are different than the tools he uses. 

amir_asr
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@russ69 

If I had to describe my place in this division, I would say I’m looking at a much bigger picture. I work with the end product, the sound that comes out of my loudspeakers. I’m working for a sound that pleases me. Mr. Amir is looking at the microscopic details, the grain of the wood, if you will, and I’m assembling an entire landscape. The tools I use are different than the tools he uses. 

???  Our aim is the same as yours.  We want maximum enjoyment out of our music and want to optimize our gear to get there. I believe in uncovering as much reliable data as we can about a product to aim in that journey.  What separates us is where we get our data, and whether it is based on sound engineering and scientific basis, or not.  But the final goal is the same.  Is this speaker going to sound great for me? How about this amp?  Will this aftermarket cable or power conditioner improve the sound in my system? Do I need a specialized USB filter?  How about an audiophile ethernet switch?

All of the above have answers.  You could look to your gut and opinion of non-technical reviewers, or seek out specialized knowledge and data.

If you get sick, you can go to a doctor or google for information.  The final aim is the same: a cure.  The doctor puts you through tests and examines you.  Perhaps you call this "grain of wood."  I call it proper diagnostic based on proven medical knowledge. 

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If you get sick, you can go to a doctor or google for information.  The final aim is the same: a cure.  The doctor puts you through tests and examines you.  Perhaps you call this "grain of wood."  I call it proper diagnostic based on proven medical knowledge.
 


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