Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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@amir_asr 

As to bias, see what you are doing? If I say I don't listen, you complain that I don't.  If say I do, you still complain.  Which way do you want it?

It's not me wanting anything. All I want to point out is that you say folks on this site are biased because they see the price and hence expectations increase. And I say that you are also biased because you see the measurements and then listen. So both parties are biased and not just the folks here. Whether you accept this or not - that is the truth.

I don't run a charity. It is a hobby that I enjoy which happens to create a lot of value for audiophiles.

See this is where we differ. Our hobby is to listen with our senses and enjoy. Your hobby is to measure and enjoy. I wonder if you spend a lot of time measuring the equipment, how much you time would you enjoy listening to music. But of course, it is your choice and I respect that.

And unlike subjective reviews, measurements speak for themselves.

Agreed. But these measurements don't consider the tons of variables that I described in my previous posts.

But sure, in your next post instead of complaining and throwing rocks, clearly state what question you want me to answer.

I don't throw rocks and I don't want you to answer anything. Just stop telling folks that measurements tell you everything. You need to understand that humans cannot measure something that they do not know how to measure it. There are many a science mysteries that the best scientists do not know yet. If you google it, you would find tons of articles. Eventually ( maybe 1 day or 1000+ years from now) humans will evolve and research will solve these mysteries. Black holes were unheard of in 1971. Yet they were finally photographed very recently.

You have a degree in electrical engineering field and that is awesome. Kudos to you. But neural sciences and the other fields doing research are not your forte. You seem to portray on your site that measurements are the end-all. I disagree on that with you.

@russ69 I think you misinterpret what @amir_asr is communicating. Amir has talked about what most people like. There seems to be some merit to that. A lot of us like a good Cabernet, but some like it drier and some like it with a bit of residual sugar. If you tell me it is super dry like an Arizona desert in the summer, and Amir's test equipment says no, it is quite sweet, with a specific number that represents sweeter than 50% of all Cabernets, who is right?   (The correct answer is Amir).

I expect that what I see here is what many others will see while reading these sorry pages. A calm, experienced, knowledgeable, detail oriented, expert in this particular aspect of his field professional who is going up against a bunch of classroom bullies who are doing their attempted best at a character assassination.

 

Never seen an audio fluffer before, not as good as this one.

All the best,
Nonoise