Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@dducat ,

Aside from going to war with some very reputable equipment makers, people who are directly accountable vs. a faceless brand of high-end gear and Amir and his minions claim a wide variety of skills and capabilities but literally don't know what they're measuring, how they're measuring it / how to use the tools they have and what their measurements actually mean.

 

Perhaps you would like to expand on who these companies are that ASR went to war over? Do you mean GR Research?   You claim that ASR does not know what to measure, how to use their equipment, or how to interpret the results. Then you make a comment about a single speaker and an anechoic chamber.  If you are going to jump in on this character assassination, shouldn't you know what you are saying?  It took me about 5 minutes of reading the first speaker review on ASR to know they don't use an anechoic chamber. They do not need one. It took maybe 10 minutes to understand why Amir uses a single speaker. Perhaps if you ask him he will tell you.

 

This is not adult banter @nonoise , this is an out and out attempted character assassination. It is not done in jest.

Finally this:

You have a degree in electrical engineering field and that is awesome. Kudos to you. But neural sciences and the other fields doing research are not your forte. You seem to portray on your site that measurements are the end-all. I disagree on that with you.

I managed the signal processing group at Microsoft which relies hugely on psychoacoustics.  I know what I need to know about perception of audio.  No knowledge of "neural science" is needed, nor do any of you have any.

As to ASR, it is clear you have not spent much time there.  We have a ton of luminaries there in audio discussing every aspect of audio. It is not just me.  

So disagree all you want.  But don't mischaracterize me or the forum.

@dducat 

"My favorite is that Amir only needed one speaker to test and supposedly in his anechoic chamber."

All speakers in the industry are measured one at a time. No way you want to put two in there and have them create interference.  If you did, you would not know the response of either one.

You are repeating an argument you don't understand.  So let me help you. The argument is why I use a single speaker to *listen to* NOT measure.  Measurements are always done with one speaker.  Ask any speaker company and they will tell you the same thing.

On the topic of listening to just one speaker, it is what science says is best.  It may not make intuitive sense to you but that is why you want to follow science.  Not your lay intuition.  I have a video on this topic as well:

 

Testing one speaker also sharply reduces shipping costs and lets me test more of them.  Science is good for us sometimes!  Try it.  :)

If you get sick, you can go to a doctor...

Just wanted to mention a Doctor of Medicine is an Arts degree, not a science degree.  

This is not adult banter @nonoise , this is an out and out attempted character assassination. It is not done in jest.

Make that very thin skinned.

All the best,
Nonoise