Roger Waters Live Last Night in Glendale,AZ

I’m not interested in hearing from artists and actors regarding politics, religion, or economics.

How dare they have opinions and/or causes they believe in promoting. As dodgealum states, the history of song writing is packed with songs speaking to these three topics as an artists expression of their opinion/belief.

Artists are going to say what's on their mind.

I walked out of a U2 concert after the third song for same reason. I like the music and thought I was paying to hear and see a “music show” not a political lecture from a rich activist. I think this all stems from their marketing firms they hire. They convince them that they need to be controversial to remain relevant and attract new fringe fans. Doing right for people in an Anonymous way no longer happens. They need to have their ego stroked and praise heaped on them for the cause they pick. Truth be they have the money to help make the change but the want to project on to everyone else as they rake in millions and live a life style out of reach for all of us. This is the current time we live in where every “celebrity” is being marketed by activists and no longer let their music do the talking but use their status to talk down or at people instead of talking to them! I can even say that as much as I like their music I will no longer listen to or support them for who they have become! There is so much great music out there to enjoy without the bs and the lecture I have moved on from them to never look back!

Quite proud of how the local administration of my city, Krakow, handled this situation with Roger Waters. He was supposed to play here a couple of weeks ago, but he has been declared as "persona non grata", so he just cannot play anymore. People who bought the tickets preferred to trash them instead of hearing his bullshits about Russia, Putin and the ugly U.S.

At least in Poland you can't do that in this historical moment.

Thanks Poland.

I don’t think that anyone’s comments here are going to change a single poster’s mind on anything.

Even though we, as individuals, would like it to. No matter where we be coming from. That we all, individually, are trying to do our best, in what we feel is integrity and some semblance of humane thinking and caring, with the information we individually have, or think we have. The key bit. Think we have.

The longer a problem exists, the more fundamental the errors in the formulation of the question. And this problem has been standing for 30 years in it’s current form (1992), 70 years in it’s longer form (1945) and hundreds of years in it’s long tailed detailed form (1776, etc). It can take many paths, though, as it’s threads go all over the world and down multitudes of complex lines. A hundred books, nay, a thousand books could be written - and have been.

Each of us have to ask ourselves what mistakes we’ve made in the formulation of our questions and thus answers to what is in front of us, in this thread.

I have a VERY strong, well researched, well edujmacated opinion on all that is said here in this thread. And can debate anyone here nose to nose and not lose an inch of ground... I’d take yards and yards of ground. For days on end. (ego statement, or simple logic derived fact?) (foolish to say, as people are emotionally reactive?)

But... if no one is listening.. where many would just be angry and reactive and not be doing the the same, in egoless integrity (which is a tall order for anyone!) (ie, research, learn, grow, change) then I’d just get beaten to death by the illiteracy of the crowd. (perhaps we each feel the same)

So, sadly, it’s best to stay home and let the animal aspects of the projections of the given mind get out there and beat each other to death in the streets, as that is where they/we/you/me/us are headed, regardless if I spill my blood on/in it.

Those who are looking at this thread and not posting, tend to have an opinion that resembles that sort of thinking.

We (any of us here) want to share and maybe help and maybe move things forward, but how to address the aspects of people who are deep in their cups of self reinforcement and projection? Am I misinformed? Is it you? Is it all of us?

We’re now at the burning spear end of the illiterate thrusting of the purposely directed and misinformed masses in all areas and regions, and the intellectual debate in integrity and actual facts and true data will happen afterward, IF we can all manage to find one.