Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
I really do not understand why members are even bothering giving @crymeanaudioriver any oxygen at all. In other words, why would anyone be remotely interested in the machinations of someone who does not have the courage of his own convictions to post his outpourings under his established membership account, contriving to set up a sock puppet account out of fear of loosing monies peddling used HiFi to AGon forum members. |
Well, that explains a lot. I think I get it now. They are in search of the perfect measurement at bargain basement prices. That's why my opinion carries no weight, they are not seeking better sound, the foundation of being an audiophile. Thanks that really sorts it out for me and why I found their viewpoints so perplexing. |
As an atheist I don't really agree with this in audio anymore than religion. My only "belief" is I don't want to alter the signal I'm given, to me measurements will tell me more about whether that is happening than a hearing mechanism cobbled together by evolution. Speakers and room I can adjust to what I like though I have found I prefer a nice flat FR on and off axis and my personal listening curve applied. Is that "better sound" ??? To subjective to apply to anyone but me. |
@djones51 : nothing to do with religion or atheism. I could have framed it as "the underlying thesis" rather than "ideology and belief system" to make it atheist. Do you agree with that statement? -------- Hearing does not matter, as we only hear what we want to hear ------ Yes or no? In fact here is the exact wording of the guy who actually invented this whole movement: "What I hear is pointless, just as what you hear is pointless. We hear what we think we hear, what we want to hear, what we need to hear" |
@tsushima1 The emotionally driven childish writings of far too many people in these 750+ posts is more than enough evidence to justify my decision. If it was just me I probably would not care at this point, but this will be yet another lesson on dealing with people for my grandson.
What are you going on about convictions? Convictions are whether I think we should be properly funding health care so that everyone can have some acceptable level of basic care. This is not a discussion about convictions. This is a combination of acting like adults, and the validity of personal observation. It is not even about whether good measurements mean good sound. That is a lie that some keep repeating for reasons I can only assume are nefarious.
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