Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
Well, that explains a lot. I think I get it now. They are in search of the perfect measurement at bargain basement prices. That's why my opinion carries no weight, they are not seeking better sound, the foundation of being an audiophile. Thanks that really sorts it out for me and why I found their viewpoints so perplexing. |
As an atheist I don't really agree with this in audio anymore than religion. My only "belief" is I don't want to alter the signal I'm given, to me measurements will tell me more about whether that is happening than a hearing mechanism cobbled together by evolution. Speakers and room I can adjust to what I like though I have found I prefer a nice flat FR on and off axis and my personal listening curve applied. Is that "better sound" ??? To subjective to apply to anyone but me. |
@djones51 : nothing to do with religion or atheism. I could have framed it as "the underlying thesis" rather than "ideology and belief system" to make it atheist. Do you agree with that statement? -------- Hearing does not matter, as we only hear what we want to hear ------ Yes or no? In fact here is the exact wording of the guy who actually invented this whole movement: "What I hear is pointless, just as what you hear is pointless. We hear what we think we hear, what we want to hear, what we need to hear" |
@tsushima1 The emotionally driven childish writings of far too many people in these 750+ posts is more than enough evidence to justify my decision. If it was just me I probably would not care at this point, but this will be yet another lesson on dealing with people for my grandson.
What are you going on about convictions? Convictions are whether I think we should be properly funding health care so that everyone can have some acceptable level of basic care. This is not a discussion about convictions. This is a combination of acting like adults, and the validity of personal observation. It is not even about whether good measurements mean good sound. That is a lie that some keep repeating for reasons I can only assume are nefarious.
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@crymeanaudioriver Of course you took my ASR statements out of context. The liar statement refers to AMIR's specific perversion of my neutral statements concerning types of listener's music on THIS FORUM. As to the ASR, why don't you post the entire idiotic and stupid comments made the entire 1 or 2 hours I posted, beginning with my benign neutral statements, then becoming more insistent that these ASR posters refused to hear anything they didn't measure or use alternative (better source) material for evaluating equipment. I did not say anything about their taste in music, only related to evaluating equipment-hip-hop, reggae, ska, punk, alternative rock, trash metal, industrial, 90s techno, progressive techno, dnb, narco corridos, cumbia are generally bereft of many elements of audio. Compare to classical orchestral, jazz and big band. There is a difference in audio recordings. Why not use all of them? I suggested jazz-which was immediately shot down. There is nothing wrong with listening to alternative/modern music (except gangsta rap which wants police dead and women raped). You are an incestuous follower of Amir. Maybe his wife or husband posting here. |
