@crymeanaudioriver i am not talking about physical ability (or limitations). i am referring to the unique circumstances in our lives that inform our personal, emotional responses to experiences.
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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@prof I agree with you there. As I have stated, equipment should be selected based on one’s personal preference, engagement with the music. It should be listened to in "a system" "in a room" (preferably the room the music is to be heard). Typically, this means one’s own audio equipment in one’s home. One of my audio dealers told me a story about hearing a pair of ($40,000) speakers at an audio show. He thought they were fantastic and purchased them. He brought them home and found out that he disliked them with his system in him room. He vowed never to buy speakers based on a show again and cautioned me not to do the same. @nonoise +10 Amir acknowledged that I have superior experience in performing and recording in major venues. @crymeanaudioriver has a lesser view of me. Too bad. |
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That's conjecture though. How often has that claim been born out? Again, knowledge is power, and if you understand enough about speaker measurements and your room, there is some level of predictive power about the sound. Further, speaker design has actually been advancing due to all the blind testing research that identified what type of resonances and anomalies we tend to identify as unnatural or sounding poor. More and more companies are using this information in their design, even purchase Klippel Analyser Systems (like Amir uses - Magico for instance now uses the Klippel and designs with goals similar to that targets that arose out of the scientific research. KEF has had enormous success with their designs, especially as they also have been designing their speakers ever closer to the "best practice measurements" goals that arose from blind-research. So there really is a through-line from the studies to what many people will hear as Good Sound. It doesn't necessarily predict what any particular individual will choose, but it's clearly been helpful.
Like I said before look what blind taste tests gave us the new coke, where is that product now? A single such instance isn't an argument against the usefulness of blind testing. That said, I think the New Coke Problem could be raised against the type of blind tests used at, say, the Harman Kardon facilities - that is, do some speakers sound better in the shorter time period quick-switching scenario of such tests, but don't necessarily predict long time satisfaction? I think that's a possible flaw. But it might actually have been addressed, I can't remember at the moment. And it also seems fairly doubtful to me. But to grant the proposition that people prefer X speakers in blind tests is useful does NOT mean it therefore predicts customer satisfaction per se. Clearly plenty of audiophiles have found satisfaction with a wide variety of speaker designs over the years. All sorts of confounding factors occur once you are in to the real world.
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fleschler If it hasn't been clear: my own approach is mostly like yours. I always want to hear gear for myself, rather than rely on measurements. I think that is for me the most reliable method for getting satisfaction. But, again for myself, I'd put things like tube amps and speakers in that category. With so many manufacturers of cables, tweaks etc vying for my time and money, I find the information from places like ASR help inform my choices as to what is most likely worthwhile or not.
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@crymeanaudioriver , No, it isn't. |
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