Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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I vaguely recall @juanmanuelfangioii posting at ASR but I may be misremembering as the account isn’t findable (although possibly deleted). It’s a memorable user name though. YouTube or Darko or somewhere else perhaps. I’ve asked what was ban-worthy in my posts here but received no answer. I doubt there’s a conversation to be had. @laoman unfortunately I have also observed the behaviours you describe from ASR’s founder, I’ve even discussed directly, as noted above. I just think it’s a mistake to carry on like that, a bit of humility and willingness to consider others goes a long way. |
You seem very reasonable. Read @laoman 's posts and tell me if I am off base.
@laoman all you have done is thrown insults. Amir was rather cordial when he first came on this topic. Neither he nor anyone should have to put up with the lies and abuse that you and others delivered. You twisted his words. You claimed he said things he did not. You called him a liar without justification.
@laoman you also made made a snarky comment about my wine knowledge based on a post I wrote but have not in any way shown what I wrote was incorrect. You made a similar comment about my audio knowledge, though I have never claimed to be an expert, yet you have provided no support that anything I have said is incorrect. If this is how you behave why would you expect respectful behavior from others? |
For the record @laoman , in my first post I commented that I found the ASR mood at time toxic. However I don't see the blatant repeated lies masquerading as arguments I see in this topic.
I am in no position of authority to question Amir's testing methods other than wrt general scientific rigor. I know you are certainly not in a position to question his methods. I would hazard a guess that the members of ASR are far far more qualified to question his methods than people here. Far more. There are threads on test methods on ASR and what could be improved. However, complain as you will, many manufacturers respect his results. With all the qualified people that participate in ASR, and accept the results, it is arrogance on your unqualified part to be sniping about his methods. |
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