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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
fleschler OP
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@prof I admit that my friends and I are either lazy in your opinion or don't care to measure/take scientific accounting of why our equipment is sonically different from other equipment (cables, tweaks included).  We don't care when we feel it is better/more enjoyable.  If the change is worse, we unplug and disown it.  

I read measurements when available.  One of ASR's long time members writes how he loves Von Schweikert speakers and now owns the VR5.  I don't recall many published measurements of his past or current speaker (or any of the VR5).  There are several published reviews sans measurements.  That didn't stop him from purchasing it and loving it.  

ghasley
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@mitch2 

Please clarify, which side is the “cult”?   

Whichever side is the one that believes they are right and the other is wrong. It varies by the individual regardless of ideology.

 

A new Camry is a better car in every measurable way than an old bathtub Porsche. I know which one I’d rather own. A new iWatch keeps better time in every measurable way than an old Zenith chronograph. I know which one I’d rather own. A new cello or guitar is likely more “accurate” than one from 250 years ago (cello) or 50 years ago (guitar). I know which one I’d rather listen to. 

 

I don’t need or desire to convert anyone to anything. Those that do are attempting to do so for another purpose.

lalitk's avatar
lalitk
5,608 posts
 

@jerryg123 

I learned long ago not to engage ASR minions. You’re basically conversing with pre-programmed robots 😂 

prof
3,479 posts
 

it is not about expertise nor a defensive reaction to scientific explanations. If I hear more detail, I hear more detail. Simple as that.

 

^^^^

You literally contradicted yourself within your first sentence.  Your posts really do exemplify precisely the problem here.

So tantejuut, is it your contention that, unlike the rest of the human species, you are totally immune from perceptual bias effects?  That you just couldn't be wrong in what you perceive when you "hear" something?

 

 

juanmanuelfangioii
958 posts
 

@lalitk You nailed it. ☠☠ Poison. 

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