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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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noske
783 posts
 

Our final word to those that yap should be to quote Jorge of Burgos:

Pedas per os tuum.

You (plural) are now speaking in tongues?  

djones51
4,947 posts
 

I was more an objectivist long before ASR existed so it isn’t surprising to say I have learned a lot more from ASR than this one but I never really considered Audigon as a site to learn but a site to buy and sell and shoot the breeze on forums. Some of the discussions here are interesting but some are outright bizarre, for instance, colored fuses, exotic cabling, magic mats in mains panels to name a few. At any rate adios.

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cleeds
5,950 posts
 

ASR can’t be bothered to listen to everything they measure. For that reason alone, I can’t be bothered with ASR and its agenda.

kota1
2,706 posts
 

I like the threads here more than most other sites. Extremely seasoned contributors who openly share their wisdom without making you feel embarrassed or shamed. I don’t find that open mindedness and support anywhere else the way I find it here.

lanx0003
831 posts
 

@laoman 

However many of us do take the line that dacs do sound different and that perhaps a wonderfully measuring dac  pushed by Amir does not sound that great. 

I was one of them who got banned because of this subject.  Amir seldom conducted listening test and it is no wonder every Dac sounds the same to him and his members.  There is no measurements existed today for such important sound traits as soundstages.  So without listening test there is no way to objectively and comprehensively assess the sound quality.  For example, I have purchased two Topping Dac based on the wonderful measurements BUT return / sell both because of the lack of soundstage depth and separation.  Some reviewers I trusted also commented about the Topping flagship D90SE sounds flat as well.

Also I think Amir's iron fisted approach of throwing out everyone who disagrees with him is pretty rude and shows the sort of person he is. I feel sorry for him ...

Same here but I won't describe him "iron fisted".  Maybe people outside the third world do not understand the gravity of the issue of censoring speech / opinions but I could tell you what he has done is not acceptable.  I have no regret of being banned other than feeling sorry for him.  I could still discuss technical subject with folks from several smaller forums and acquire satisfactory / constructive responses.

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