Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

"...to find the one obscure situation where ASR measurements may not be correct, and attempt to use that as an excuse to discard all the work they do. Maybe that fools some people..."

I'm not trying to discount anybody's work or opinion. I'm just relating my experience. ASR doesn't really spend much time testing quality high-power amps or gear priced, let me be kind here, above the most modest level, just a few pieces. I like the measurements provided by ASR, but not much gear that I am interested in appears on ASR, so it's not particularly useful to me.  

So you are saying Stereophile receives gifts @axo1989 ? Virtually every review site seems to get them. Unless he is selling them on Ebay or similar, calling it a gift is really an extreme stretch in an attempt to discredit.

 

I think you should post links to these supposed Youtube videos as the only one I could find was a "coached" video, 4 years old, when he was getting a new model of analyzer. You really are stretching to discredit.

 

Formal training? I did a lot of medical research. Formal training on equipment? I expect it is no different from the Audio Precision. An afternoon or maybe a day with the vendor. This is not something you go to school for.  Life saving hospital equipment was a different matter, but equipment used in research?  Just another sloppy attempt to discredit.

 

I know, I am digging a hole here, but what would be wrong with a general standard at least to start with when it comes to audio, no matter the component? I wince to bring up 'Consumer Reports' Way back then, because they did not seem to have a clue early in the game of audio. They were even more carefree than Stereo Review in some of their opinions as to what made a good deal. In fact, just about everybody lied about the products that they sold. 

 If there were a starting line so to speak for expectations of any piece of equipment, beyond the promise that it won't catch fire, then maybe products could fall into categories/expectation for the dollar. 

 Wow, this hole will get deeper the more I think about this. Goodbye.

@cd318

So you are saying Stereophile receives gifts @axo1989 ?

No I haven’t made any claim about Stereophile. I’ll give you some time to edit your post or reformulate your question and check a bit later.

So you are saying Stereophile receives gifts...

Not sure you know how the industry works, but there are many perks, depending on who you are. Firstly, equipment might be "on loan" with no set date of return or there may be a heavily discounted accommodation price if you wish to keep the item you tested. It is also known that the distributor/manufacturer might "wine and dine" a reviewer when delivering a piece of gear. And last but not least, a reviewer might be flown to the factory, for a tour and several day accommodations and meals. These are normal sales perks in some industries and certainly true in audio.