Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

I know, I am digging a hole here, but what would be wrong with a general standard at least to start with when it comes to audio, no matter the component? I wince to bring up 'Consumer Reports' Way back then, because they did not seem to have a clue early in the game of audio. They were even more carefree than Stereo Review in some of their opinions as to what made a good deal. In fact, just about everybody lied about the products that they sold. 

 If there were a starting line so to speak for expectations of any piece of equipment, beyond the promise that it won't catch fire, then maybe products could fall into categories/expectation for the dollar. 

 Wow, this hole will get deeper the more I think about this. Goodbye.

@cd318

So you are saying Stereophile receives gifts @axo1989 ?

No I haven’t made any claim about Stereophile. I’ll give you some time to edit your post or reformulate your question and check a bit later.

So you are saying Stereophile receives gifts...

Not sure you know how the industry works, but there are many perks, depending on who you are. Firstly, equipment might be "on loan" with no set date of return or there may be a heavily discounted accommodation price if you wish to keep the item you tested. It is also known that the distributor/manufacturer might "wine and dine" a reviewer when delivering a piece of gear. And last but not least, a reviewer might be flown to the factory, for a tour and several day accommodations and meals. These are normal sales perks in some industries and certainly true in audio.  

I personally know of a part time reviewer who solicited expensive high end gear to review, was given it, kept it and resold it after reviewing it.  

Friend, you should know by now, the YouTube is chock full of individuals who don’t have a clue. They draw people in with a catch. This guy’s audience is likely young millennials who couldn’t hope to afford ‘high-end’ gear. They love to hear that it generally all sounds the same. To be truthful, many of us audiophiles do become terribly biased too. We make differences huge, when they are not - which definitely hurts credibility. Just because a component, say a DAC, costs 20k, the likelihood that it sounds infinitely better, commensurate with the huge price delta, is small. I know a guy who insists that his Vizio soundbar system which sits in a small garage space sounds about as good as a high-end system. Of course he is wrong 😑 BUT, you know what, his soundbar system sounds VERY good lol! There are a few reasonsfor this; First he listens with the sound waves flowing outside, meaning a lot less resonances screwing up the sound. Second, a sub. If anything, his system has reinforced my belief that i would see huge improvements in my system with a sub. The lower frequencies add so much presence and density to the music. Third, he supplements with rear surround speakers. Sure, I know what you will say, but my believe is that the best sound systems of the future will be multi-channel and not two-channel. I think most of us know this, its just the daunting task of affording a multi-channel system of Magicos for example, requiring multiples of amps, cables etc. to say nothing of the challenges setting it all up in a living environment.