Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

@fleschler 

One doesn't have to believe any online person; however, based on the enormous "subjectivist" opinions, people actually do hear differences, right or wrong, personal preferences included, regardless of measurements and decide to what sounds best to them, in a system, in a room.  Nothing you say will change that. 

Fleschler, that comes across as a dogmatic statement "You Can't Change Our Minds!"   Do you really want to seem that inflexible?  Isn't being open minded a two way street?  It often seems that people using a purely subjective ("Golden Ear") paradigm will castigate the "objectivist" for not being open to their claims, but will remain stubbornly opposed to being open to the objectivist side.

Also, you seem to be projecting your own attitude on to others.  It's simply not true that "nothing (Amir) can say will change" minds.  He, and others on his site, and other people on the internet over the years taking a similar view, have changed plenty of minds.  ASR is FULL of people who used to be in the "everything I think I hear is real" camp but who are taking a more critical look at the claims of many audiophiles and high-end audio companies.  

Honestly, not everyone is so close minded to the arguments and evidence presented by Amir.  Look at the huge number of comments under his youtube videos - it's full of incredibly appreciative comments!

He tales the joy out of the hobby.  It is a hobby for most of us, not a vocation. 

Again, please be aware this is speaking for yourself.  In no way does he take the "joy out of the hobby" for tons of people who appreciate the knowledge gained over on ASR.   He's not entering your listening room and taking away your tweaks, or telling you that you have to stop buying whatever you want. 

One could just as well complain that "all these audiophiles telling us everything needs break in" are taking the joy out of the hobby.  But...one is free to ignore this and take our own approach (and/or look at the evidence for such claims if we wish).

@jerryg123 ,

I looked over that "cable test" at Alpha Audio. I will reiterate my comment. It is very amateur. How can anyone call themselves and audiophile of any experience and not know even the most basic things about a blind test. They even have a video of them doing this blind test. They don't have a good explanation, so we work with the video and what they wrote. Apparently, all they did was listen to each cable only once, write down their notes, then gave a rating at the end. They could have put all the names into a hat and pulled them out to determine the ranking. The result would carry the same weight and validity. Based on their data, the Shunyata would have been the loudest.

@amir_asr perhaps you would want to jump in at this point, but I don't get a very strong impression these Alpha Audio guys have much idea about what they are doing. I don't have the confidence to solidly identify measurement mistakes, but some of the things they wrote have me shaking my head, this like this statement. How could any measurement they made provide any indication of material purity?

The conductance is purely indicative. It shows how pure the material is that has been used. Ricable claims to use very pure, 7N copper. That matches up pretty well with what we measure on 2 x 3 meters (we go out (+) and back (-) in the cable in this measurement). Shunyata tops that with the very purest copper. And so that is visible in this measurement.

Think it was said earlier that no one cares what a Phlebotomist or @cindyment has to say about anything.

Troll keeps a 🧌 ing.

@jerryg123 , someone on ASR spent more time evaluating their methods. The word amateur keeps repeating in my head. I will point this out to you as well @kota1 .

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/loudspeaker-cable-test-and-comparison.35712/post-1247963

The guy doing the switching is there. The two listeners discuss their findings which isn’t good methodology during the test. The switcher also had done the measurements. This isn’t even good single blind. Plus they discuss things for several minutes as cables are switched. They can see the cables being pulled out as switching is done. The first one was a white thin little cable, the next one is a big black fancy looking cable which they might have noticed even though not scrutinizing the cable as this happens. The switcher even gets involved in the discussions of what some of the cables sounds like with the test listeners. At one point even discussing what the measurements of the cable currently listened to was. This is a preposterous test. They are listening to not quite 10 minutes of music once, then talk amongst themselves for 7 to 8 minutes while cables are swapped (again in their view) before listening to the next one. And the results are random even though the author tries to spin it as meaningful.

@jerryg123 , did you notice how actual scientists don’t put pics of toys, like "piggy banks" in their cable reviews? Good example for the pretenders in this thread :)