Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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Think it was said earlier that no one cares what a Phlebotomist or @cindyment has to say about anything.

Troll keeps a 🧌 ing.

@jerryg123 , someone on ASR spent more time evaluating their methods. The word amateur keeps repeating in my head. I will point this out to you as well @kota1 .

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/loudspeaker-cable-test-and-comparison.35712/post-1247963

 

The guy doing the switching is there. The two listeners discuss their findings which isn’t good methodology during the test. The switcher also had done the measurements. This isn’t even good single blind. Plus they discuss things for several minutes as cables are switched. They can see the cables being pulled out as switching is done. The first one was a white thin little cable, the next one is a big black fancy looking cable which they might have noticed even though not scrutinizing the cable as this happens. The switcher even gets involved in the discussions of what some of the cables sounds like with the test listeners. At one point even discussing what the measurements of the cable currently listened to was. This is a preposterous test. They are listening to not quite 10 minutes of music once, then talk amongst themselves for 7 to 8 minutes while cables are swapped (again in their view) before listening to the next one. And the results are random even though the author tries to spin it as meaningful.

 

@jerryg123 , did you notice how actual scientists don’t put pics of toys, like "piggy banks" in their cable reviews? Good example for the pretenders in this thread :)

@kota1 , posting a link to a personal report of what someone thinks they heard does not prove your point. If the reviewer was truly curious, or fully believed their conclusion, they would have gotten two DACs, one burned in, and one not, and compared them in blind test.

@crymeanaudioriver and yet ASR is not doing any blind tests.

I will say the arrogance and condescending attitudes reflected by you @amir_asr @prof I would not take advise from any of you, nor will I ever look at the ASR site. Mostly because the equipment being tested is low scale and not my, well thing. I do not shop at Best Buy.

I also find the entire ASR crowd quite offensive and see why you fit right is over there.

Why don't you saunter on back. 

I am no expert and I do use some measurements as a baseline however what you and your ilk miss is that audio like most luxury items are also an emotional purchase. No one here at this forum is saying measurement do not have a place but it is only one leg in the triangle it is not the final chapter. The system and how it sounds is the sum of all the parts, that is the ultimate test and I have not seen a test by Amir of a complete system Pre, Amp, DAC, Cables, Source. Think those Dutch boys have though.  

So I am going to leave you and Amir Army to it. You have done nothing but make the divide even greater amongst the camps here. Arrogance and conceit are not going to sway minds nor opinions.  I will leave you and your 19 users names to argue among yourselves.  

Time to listen to some music as that is what this is all about.