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Things I don‘t know

Digital is very much an emerging transmission form and there are a few questions where I simply don‘t know.

1. In the digital domain it is very easy to shift polarity of recordings and the effects are very audible. Yet few devices offer the capability even in very high end systems. Conversely it seems a standard feature on software for computer based systems. This matters greatly since probably half of all recordings are made out of polarity.

2. In digital accurate clocking is of paramount importance to achieve good leading and trailing edge definition as well as spatial rendition. Yet few Dacs even in high end devices and even fewer streamers or switches offer 10m clock interfaces.

3. Even small RFI/EMI or ground level intrusions are very detrimental to accurate D/A conversion. Yet most Dacs still don‘t provide galvanic isolation on their inputs and often claim to address the issue with error correction in the digital domain. Do designers simply not know better?

4. Recent advances in Class D amplification seem to point the way; yet there seems to be no consensus on optimal sample frequency nor power supply design for these devices.

Finally, while rare exceptions like @atmasphere see their task as clarifying and educating on the issues, the vast majority of designers either don‘t make the effort or just go about shilling their widgets.

While I am sure that this is only the beginning of a list of digital issues worth discussing,the usefulness of Audiogon Fora rests precisely on elaboborating and clarifying on all issues immanent in this new approach to things and in most instances the issues don‘t at all relate to issues discussed purely in the analogue domain.

antigrunge2
erik_squires
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Everything I've read is that external clocks are worse than a really good internal clock.  The distance in the leads makes them more susceptible to jitter issues than a low phase-noise internal oscillator.

Class D amps are not (as Atmasphere likes to point out) digital.  D was just the next amp type in line.  They are switching amps with analog comparators, but it is often argued that the switching frequency being higher pushes the noise out further.

dynamiclinearity
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Actually there is no sampling frequency for class D because class D is an analog encoding function. It is unfortunate that it's called class D. It was only called class D because it was the next amplifier format and it came after class C(lousy for audio).

Power supply is critical for class D. It must be very fast because class D goes from zero to max theoretically instantly(impossible but the closer it comes the better). That implies lots of current and a very low output impedance for the power supply.

antigrunge2 OP
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@erik-squires

that is one line of arguments, indeed. However Innuos spends enormous efforts on reclocking both USB and Ethernet connections and best I know DCM offers full external clock support for all its units. There is also a vibrant market for master clocks from Esoteric, Afterdark, Mutec, Cybershaft, Antelope et al. I‘d argue the jury on clocking is still out. In my case reclocking my dac and Etherregen yielded major benefits.

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yoyoyaya
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On Clocks

Very few DAC manufacturers e.g. Esoteric and DCS, make their own clocks and most manufacturers don’t want you going off and buying someone else’s product. That’s aside from the fact that digital designers do differ in their views of the relative merits of onboard and offboard clocking.

 

mike_in_nc
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I used a Mutec reclocker for a while. It helped an older piece of gear appreciably, at least to my ears, but the reclocking degraded the sound of a newer, better (but less expensive) piece. Why, I don't know.

The main use of external clocking (other than profit) seems to be in sound studios with numerous pieces of gear that need synchronization. That's why consumer gear rarely has clock inputs.

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