Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
@kota1 ,
Did you even read the article you just linked on blind testing? You post reinforces what Amir has said on these pages. Trained listeners are superior to every day audiophiles in detecting anomalies. That you for reinforcing that message. The article provided no evidence to refute blind testing. |
It’s amazing isn’t it? By the very logic of the article kota1 wants us to accept, he’s not a trained listener. It would be at least as damning of his own method. PLUS he has added sighted bias in to the mix when he "breaks in" and listens to products.
(This happens all the time when audiophiles attempt to pick apart the usefulness of blind testing. They suddenly get all picky about variables in an attempt to dismiss the tests, conveniently forgetting that the variables would apply to their own method of testing gear!)
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That policy must be particular to America. In my country, there are conditions on the reasons you may wish for and be provided a refund - not liking it is not one of them. Such a liberal policy in America has unintended consequences on a number of levels. But that is what is known as micro-economics and out of bounds on this esteemed forum. |
@prof
The problem with ASR as of late is that such opportunity is not always given. A loud member, or a moderator, or a whole pack of them, publicly accuse an "inconvenient" member of disingenuity, of lack of knowledge, or of low intelligence, and then said member is immediately banned, with no way to defend himself there.
As far as I can tell, this is absolutely the expectation of certain ASR moderators, and also of certain ASR members whose opinions are considered as the only valid ones by some moderators. That's the crux of the issue the OP raised. As a medical analogy, this resembles an autoimmune disease. A healthy, balanced moderation serves a function similar to the one served by immune system. A hyperactive censorship, on the other hand, may be gradually killing ASR organism. |
noske
That’s interesting. "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back" is a common guarantee in the US, although often with a time limit. |
