Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

@westcoastaudiophile I don't know of any high end/expensive/boutique cable manufacturers who provide testing measurements of their cables.  I certainly don't know how the better sounding cables measure.  Similar to my prior occupation as a commercial real estate appraiser (not to be confused with residential appraisers), my exhaustive work involved both science (math, computer models, physical inspections, details, interviews) and art (interpretation of non-physical elements such as location, effects of details on the adjustments such as environmental issues, etc).  I provided reasons for all my adjustments, based on paired sales analysis and judgment calls (based on my experience and interviews).  

So it apparently is with cable manufacturing, a mixture of science and art.   I can't explain it.   I would hope that manufacturers would do a better job of it rather than puffery.  While most explain part of their cable construction, many don't, possibly due to proprietary construction limitations.   Even some of the most expensive cables have virtually no information (MasterBuilt, sound great in systems I've heard but I have no idea why).  

@fleschler +1, the most important measurement= listening satisfaction :)
In LEAN manufacturing they have a saying, what gets measured gets done. The problem is you can measure too much and get lost in the details. This is why I stick with the 80/20 rule. 20% of any system provides 80% of the results. I don't see the value of buying a DAC or a cable that measures so well that only a bat can hear the difference. If you get that 20% right the rest is an adventure toward a moving target which we can only aim at but never hit...perfection. 

 

@fleschler thanks for reply! I see as on you are measuring cables by price, not electrical performance, and priciest cable does sound better.

@westcoastaudiophile No, I absolutely don’t believe that. After testing 100s of cables, I know for a fact on various systems, that the most expensive cables are often inferior (sounding). High Fidelity cables using large magnets in line is one of the worst examples just based on poor engineering (which I previously described one $1 million system owner who was dissatisfied as was I, until he changed from $105,000 in those cables to $3,500 in cables). I have no idea how the HF cables test/measure and I doubt anyone else does either.

You can view the non-proprietary construction of the GroverHuffman.com cables (older site, could use an update on materials) and his patent. His cables sell for  $300s to $900, not $1000s or $10,000s. He loses potential customers because they don’t have the cachet of expensive, name brand cables. He has more than enough business (handmade) with a world-wide following.

A $35 Chinese made cable is going to cut corners no matter how one looks at it. In the commercial appraisal business one can offer cheap, fast and good quality work but only two, not three. I provided good quality (great quality) as fast as possible. Not cheap.

 

@fleschler thanks for reply (again)! I still don’t see measurable performance metric you are looking for at manufacturer’s data, to name a few: loop resistance, loop inductance, EM shielding, flexibility, EOL, etc. in your reply I see price as only differentiator, even for the same manufacturer. 

"A $35 Chinese made cable is going to cut corners no matter how one looks at it.” - what electrical spec is compromised?