Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

@fleschler +1, the most important measurement= listening satisfaction :)
In LEAN manufacturing they have a saying, what gets measured gets done. The problem is you can measure too much and get lost in the details. This is why I stick with the 80/20 rule. 20% of any system provides 80% of the results. I don't see the value of buying a DAC or a cable that measures so well that only a bat can hear the difference. If you get that 20% right the rest is an adventure toward a moving target which we can only aim at but never hit...perfection. 

 

@fleschler thanks for reply! I see as on you are measuring cables by price, not electrical performance, and priciest cable does sound better.

@westcoastaudiophile No, I absolutely don’t believe that. After testing 100s of cables, I know for a fact on various systems, that the most expensive cables are often inferior (sounding). High Fidelity cables using large magnets in line is one of the worst examples just based on poor engineering (which I previously described one $1 million system owner who was dissatisfied as was I, until he changed from $105,000 in those cables to $3,500 in cables). I have no idea how the HF cables test/measure and I doubt anyone else does either.

You can view the non-proprietary construction of the GroverHuffman.com cables (older site, could use an update on materials) and his patent. His cables sell for  $300s to $900, not $1000s or $10,000s. He loses potential customers because they don’t have the cachet of expensive, name brand cables. He has more than enough business (handmade) with a world-wide following.

A $35 Chinese made cable is going to cut corners no matter how one looks at it. In the commercial appraisal business one can offer cheap, fast and good quality work but only two, not three. I provided good quality (great quality) as fast as possible. Not cheap.

 

@fleschler thanks for reply (again)! I still don’t see measurable performance metric you are looking for at manufacturer’s data, to name a few: loop resistance, loop inductance, EM shielding, flexibility, EOL, etc. in your reply I see price as only differentiator, even for the same manufacturer. 

"A $35 Chinese made cable is going to cut corners no matter how one looks at it.” - what electrical spec is compromised?

@coralkong 

Put the multimeter down and try listening with your ears. You might be amazed at what you discover.

This is what irks me immensely.  Why on earth do you weaponize one of the main things we have in common?  The enjoyment of music?  Do you really think we don't listen to music?  That we don't use our "ears?"  Why build cheap/false talking points like this?  If you have a logical, technical argument, make it.  But for heaven's sake, don't resort to cheap shots like this. 

That aside, half of my reviews involve listening tests.  That is about 150 reviews a year which dwarfs any other reviewers out there. And of course any audiophile.  So don't tell me to listen.  I do and I know the limitations of that task for evaluating audio gear.

And we all experience what you do: the falsity of changes that are not real.  I have done AB tests of the cables sighted just like you do and reported those outcomes in reviews.  They are worthless and I indicate it as such.  And I note often how the cheap generic cable "sounded better."

So please, in this informed discussion, leave aside lines like this.