Counterfeit Chinese Cables


I thought that I would write this for those who are curious about one of the many counterfeit Chinese interconnect cables that are available these days. I know that there have been threads about the subject before, and I was always curious because they seem to be such a bargain. I don't really recall much about what any members actually said about the performance of these counterfeit cables, and I didn't look back and do any research, but a couple of months ago there was a thread that came around to discussing the quality of Chinese made components, and oldhvymec said something that made sense to me.

He said that people that say that what they are making is junk should consider that much of what is in our gear, and a lot of our American brands are actually manufactured there. I decided shortly after that that I would take the chance on a set of interconnects, because I suspected that the interconnects going from my pre to my amp were the weak link and needed upgrading. The interconnects going from my DAC to my pre were Kimber Select which are very good, but the other set were LAT International (now defunct) which had cost $500.00 when new, but I had reason to believe they were lacking because I have one of their digital cables that turned out to be very poor sounding in comparison to others I own.

I decided on a one meter pair of counterfeit Nordost Odin interconnects for a total of $104.00 from Aliexpress. I received them a couple of weeks later. They appeared to be well made, and the locking fake WBT rca's were very impressive and are very tight. 

First impressions after installing them were light, thin sound, lacking bass. Each couple of days brought improvements, but from the beginning I noticed that they were quieter. Now, weeks later, I can say that they are drastically better that the LAT's in every way. Detail and ambience are much better, but it's the focus and separation of instruments that is most noticeable. 

I have no way of knowing if they are really a copy of the Nordost design, but I am impressed enough that I am going to try a counterfeit Nordost digital cable.

Obviously, this isn't a comparison that is useful to most, because there probably isn't anyone here using the LAT's, and everything is system dependent. I just wanted to relay my positive experience. 

Nordost ODIN&2 RCA Fever Audio Signal Cable Double Lotus Sterling Silver Audio Cord Video CD Amplifier Tube Cable High Quality| | - AliExpress

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@ghdprentice over the course of the last month I’ve ordered some Odin Gold RCA interconnects from 3 different vendors, at similar prices, all using pictures that don’t allow you to tell differences if there are any as you purchase them.

-The first order sounds very good, connectors are on the flimsy side but, the inside construction mimics the genuine HoloPlugs, with low mass design, and great sound.

-the second order, with STRICTLY IDENTICAL WIRE, had more solid feeling plugs that were unfortunately impossible to take apart, that only LOOKED remotely like Holoplugs from the outside but on closer look are just basic heavy brass (? or worse) connectors with thick metal construction. Those cables sounded truly awful, flat and dead and "dark", like a low-pass filter had been used. I returned them all (without any hassle).

-the third and last order came from a store that I’m accustomed to and never disappoints (AudioConnector store) and I thought would be identical to the first order, but it is NOT. This time the wire itself is slightly different (you can see it when you lay the cables side by side) and the plugs are yet another version of the Holoplugs, similar to the first order with low mass connectors, but a bit more solid feeling. This cable sounds great too, very slightly different from the first one, but very good.

 

All this to say, there are indeed many variants which use the same stock photos and are sold at similar prices, and it can be a real crapshoot. Get the best ones, and you will be rewarded with sound quality way above the asking price. Get the wrong ones, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. My advice would be to stick with products that show the best buyer reviews, and sellers that consistently sell you good sounding cables. Having the possibility to return without hassle is also recommended, some sellers offer that option, some don’t.

Are they giant killers? I never owned any truly high end cables, but I’ve owned a few different VanDenhul including the full carbon offerings, a few entry-level Nordost, QED (well ok that’s definitely entry level), Mogami (just for a try), Fadel Arts, and I’ve tried a couple of Dutch pure silver cables whose brand name I forgot (very small company). All those cables (if you exclude the Mogami) were 2 to 4x more expensive than the average "Nordeast Odin" cables, probably more than that for the Dutch silver cables, and I vastly prefer the Chinese cables in my system. Doesn’t make them giant killers, but good value - which isn’t so bad already.

I also have a couple of internet buddies who have replaced their 3K to 5K cables with fake Odin, which is maybe more a matter of system synergy, or personal taste, but it’s worth mentioning - without making too much fuss about it. In the end, is it reasonable to compare a 60$ cable with a 6000$ cable? I’m not sure. The fact that, in some cases, it can come close enough, sure is impressive but might just be some very subjective opinion. After all, there are people who PREFER to use 30$ Mogami cables.

Then there are the power cables. Those are quite new to me, in general, as I kept the stock cables for very long. And I don’t have much to compare. But, there’s a HUUUUUGE gap between, say, a DIY effort based on Ollflex cable, or a similar "artisanal" entry level sold through eBay or Amazon, and a similarly priced fake Odin. The last Odin Gold power cord I purchased, which looks cheesy as hell and costs just 58$ for about 4 feet, may very well be the very best power cord I own, instantly bringing my system up a few notches, with better midrange detail, much deeper stage, blacker backgrounds, tighter bass, better transparency... not something that usually happens with a 58$ power cord. Hell, with most 58$ power cords, you barely hear any difference.

In the end, it’s all a lot of fun, with some (rare, in my case) disappointments along the way, and not much money spent.

@rolox 

If you look closely, you will be able to tell some difference between the products. For instance, look at the same cable you bought but on RM Digital. Though I don’t know where you purchased yours, I can bet the markings on the cables are the same color: either both silvery white or both black. The real Nordost has the makings on one cable white and on the other black. RM Digital has the markings the same way. The price is probably double what you paid for yours also. It’s my experience that this particular store is more peculiar and their offerings are closer to the original. I can’t vouch for how they sound compared to the other stores but if attention to details any indication…

Are those little boxes on the Odin cables removable?  That's the only thing keeping me from trying them.