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17 of 23 speakers in my studio and home theater systems are internally powered. My studio system is all Genelec and sounds very accurate. I know the best new concert and studio speakers are internally powered there are great technical reasons to design a speaker and an amp synergistically, this concept is much more important to sound quality than the vibration systems we often buy. How can an audiophile justify a vibration system of any sort with this in mind.

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Going back to the OP’s point about confusion:

@mijostyn , great post but I did catch something that reveals that there is some confusion out there, you said. :

They are forced to use Class D amps for this reason and I have yet to hear a Class D amp I would purchase. Even Class AB amps if run hard are going to generate enough heat to make an active speaker very uncomfortable.

Kef LS60 amps-

The LS60 Wireless also has power in abundance, with a highly optimised mixture of bespoke Class AB and Class D amplification delivering a combined 1400 Watts of audiophile-grade power, with amplifiers dedicated to high, medium and low frequencies within each speaker.

Amplifier output power (per speaker)

LF: 500W
MF: 100W
HF: 100W

Amplifier class (per speaker)

LF: Class D
MF: Class D
HF: Class AB

 

@hollykumi , what a great post, I agree that I have moved my focus to the front end because the speaker/amp/room in my system is cohesive. One amazing thing I added recently was the iFi SPDIF iPurifier. About $200 and benefitted everything in terms or reducing jitter and increasing clarity. I'll have to look into the Schit Freya pre, thx.

brianlucey Maybe no one is on your sound journey, maybe you use the greatest equipment in the world and we are all simply lucky to hear your musings on equipment. If you were half half the engineer you think you are you would understand that if a studio uses the greatest, warmest, most orgasmic equipment ever it's not a very good studio, Why because studios are not supposed to sound good they are supposed to mix music that will sound good on the most systems. You mentioned MS-10s bad speakers that are the industry standard, why because they sound not so great. One of the oldest tricks in the book is before the mix is finished you go out with the producer and put the track in your car that's where most people listen to music.

Audiophiles often have much better systems than studios, this is the audiophiles place in the sound world, not the studios.
I have been in sessions with perhaps the greatest mixer ever Al Schmidt at Capital records he used his own monitors that honestly didn't sound very good at all but it didn't matter he knew what to expect from them that's what counts. Your song and dance equipment wise doesn't hold any weight supporting your arrogance. Good luck.

@donavabdear Small minds see the world as dogma or polarity. Both accurate and musical is what mastering studios are about. Both. Mixers can use your speakers. My room would blow your mind. Mixers still use Auratones or NS-10. I’m not a mixer. What’s your name and credit list ? Naive and overconfident trolling from beginners or worse failed pros is what this looks like. My system is both accurate and beautiful. Top tier globally. Every room is one persons opinion. It’s a bias. We use science but music engineering is not a science experiment. It’s a humanity exercise. Connection. Not perfection. Yes I knew beautiful Al. And it’s spelled Capitol. I use Al’s personal dCS Bartok here every day ... for my headphone amp. Sits next to his memoir. Loved Al. Don’t evoke the name of the dead to make your ignorant point. That’s manipulative and wrong. Bricasti M1 SE is true high end. The Allnic A-6000 is better than the best solid state. Evolution Acoustics MM3 Exact and MMMicros are both accurate and beautiful. Acoustic Zen cables are levels above what’s in any self powered monitor. You’re who again ? Nameless troll? Fact is self powered speakers have zero intrinsic benefits. Except cost and convenience. Some are better than others but it’s just another imperfect approach in a world of imperfect compromises. Name and credits list please. What’s your equipment history ? Again sir, it’s about our personal EVOLUTION with monitoring. What you think you know today will change. Or you stopped thinking. Dogma is for fools. Come visit me anytime.  Apple. Capitol Studios. Dolby. They've all been here.