Hi-end audio is a big zero


This is no knock on dealers, It's just how hi-end audio is.

I go listen to some speakers. He has them set up like crap - jammed between 3 other pair. Running on electronics I would never choose so I have to try and compensate for what I imagine they are contributing to the sound. Then after 30 minutes, I am expected to shell out the $4,500.00.

I narrowed it down to two transports from an online retailer. And who knows if those 2 are even a good choice?  Told point blank, I am not allowed to buy both and return the one I don''t want. Just pick one and buy it. Shell out $1,000-$3,500 based on what?

One e-tailer will allow purchase 3 speakers totally $12K and return the two I don't want. Sorry, i have a conscience and can't do it to him.

Read all you want. Talk all you want. Listen at dealers all you want. But unless you listen in your own room, it's all meaningless. I'm talking even just 5 to 30 minutes can be all it takes. But that is basically impossible.

Sure you can buy and sell on A-gon or Ebay if you find what you want have the time to go through the process.

If the prices weren't so high or I did not care about sound quality maybe it would not matter.

cdc

@cdc Nice topic. Here's my $0.02. 

(1) The sales norms of this hobby have/are changing from a home-demo norm to a pay-to-play norm. Just like a price hike for a product, this change elicits a painful emotional response from consumers. But, the market is changing, we can't do anything about it. The auto market is also now shifting away from a retailer/dealership model. Our auto retailers are disappearing. 

(2) The whiskey market is largely a pay-to-play hobby. In this area, the consumer is confronted with single barrels and special release bottles that can often cost ~$100-$1000, depending. Many times, these bottles are complete duds, and it's painful to spend $300 on a bottle that falls flat. Other times, we get lucky when we take a chance on a bottle and find something truly amazing, but which we will never find another bottle of. There are at least a couple things I do as a whisky consumer in this pay-to-play market:

(a) I can purchase the affordable staple bends from a distiller to survey the landscape. The good affordable bottles are going to be the distillers where I am willing to spend more the next bottles up their lines. Going this route, I've found that I've missed some great higher-end bottles from distillers that had poor affordable bottles--but by and large, I'm doing a better job buying whiskeys that I have a higher chance of liking with this method. This method applies to Hifi--we can buy the entry level components from manufactures we're interested in. With the components we like most, we can start to climb their lines. One downside to this method is the amount we'll spend over time. For the same amount of money we would spend sampling the offerings of various manufacturers, and maybe climbing the lines of a few of them, we could spend that money once on higher end components. 

(b) We're entering the era of influencers/reviewers. With whiskey, I've found one reviewer in particular whose palette matches mine. If he recommends something, I know I'm going to enjoy it as well. This applies to Hifi as well. We can find the reviewers whose preferences match ours, and we can even engage with them in our audio journeys. The benefit to following a professional reviewer is that they will have the ability to review higher quantities of components than we would be able to alone. But one downside is that no reviewer will be able to get to many of the components on the market, so we may not get good intel on a product we would like to explore but don't have the funds or time to get to ourselves. 

So, while we're moving into an era of direct-to-consumer businesses and may have more limited home demo options, the two methods above become some of the better ways to explore a hobby. 

I went to one dealer. I heard 50K speakers on a 30K system.My 45yr old equipment at home blew it away for sound. It was not matched and in a bad room. I went to a different dealer, listened to several  integrated amps on $4500 speakers and all was great. I brought my new integrated home and it sounded even better. There is no place like home!  I had the option to return it within a week if not happy.  I was very happy. So one dealer can suck, the next wonderful! That is my experience.

@kota1 +1

@thespeakerdude  +1

If you spend the time and do your homework, on what to buy, where to buy, you eliminate many of the problems. Forums like this one is a good starting point. Of course the pocketbook helps in making the decision also.