Endgame Vocal+ DAC Help: Terminator Plus 12th vs. Chord DAVE vs. Holo May vs. Weiss502.


tl;dr:  Read title. I like vocals with spacing, depth and atmosphere.  VOCALS. I have a small, shitty space - one side of an closed porch; very near-feild computer-setup. Consider myself a whore for detail.  Was surprised to find detail-praised DACs to be harsh (e.g., RME ADI). Want thick, dark/rich, vocal forward, no loss in detail.  Hate thin, harsh, and smeared/muddy sound. Julien Baker. Hold my hand and mentor me.

The atmospheric, depth of field, concentration stuff like this: https://youtu.be/rNEZlRgebwQ is something I love, but, without lyrics, I lack emotional engagement.

Setup (shitty near-field, no choice):

Audio Streaming Services or Youtube to
BeQuiet! PC Build - USB out to
Topping D90 MQA (to be replaced) 
to Better Cables XLR 
to Benchmark HPA4 
to Classe' SIGMA AMP 2  
to Wilson Audio Duette 2's

Headphones: Hifiman Arya

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Ok, I always feel guilty asking for help; still, finding any advice otherwise is difficult. 

I'm looking to get an endgame DAC; I have the budget for about $20k worth of gear, if it's blow-me-away sort of stuff.  I've read and watched virtually every review (about 20 or so reads; about 20 or so youtube reviews, each). I can find on these (and other) DACs; so, I feel somewhat equipped with the general perceptions of each.

Still, I'm not sure how these will best suit my wants for a DAC.

Best I can tell, each of these DACs have their own camps of support, and each comes with some distinct, common-to-review, characteristics:

Chord DAVE: Bright, Atmospheric, Big, Depth, Mega Detail, Harsh on Femal Vocals at times, but other than that, I've read nothing but cum-stained reviews for this ugly thing.
Denafrips T+12: Smooth, Medium Dark, Juicy, Rich, Big, Atmospheric, Not as Vocal Forward, Changes the sound but in a good way*, Some say it backs off the lead vocals when other vocals are present.
Holo May: Smooth, 'Correct', Neutral, Big, Vocal more forwardish
Weiss502: Rich, Juicy, Studio Master Tape, Less Color

*I do not care if the DAC changes the music - most the artists I love seem to be TERRIBLE in the mixing/mastering dept.  Like TERRIBLE.  Why every artist doesn't listen to their masters on every level of dac-to-speaker combo with particular emphasis on the sort of setups/playback their target demo has absolutely boggles the mind.

I almost exclusively listen to slower, guitar/piano-based, female-vocal heavy music (e.g., Julien Baker - a lot of Julien Baker).  So, I'm looking to get a DAC best suited for that sort of music.

Essentially, making this (I know, youtube, but I love this recording) sound as good as possible is what I'm after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlVp9W6LvTQ

That skinny vocal mic in the Tiny Desk concerts has a level of detail I love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZdnq5tN5vI

I'd like to preserve that sort of detail, but the vocals could be a touch warmer/fuller/juicier.

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Here's a bit of background experience and taste-to-product preferences with which I am aware:

I have auditioned the iFiDSD Pro, have owned the Matrix X-Sabre I, the RME ADI-II, and currently use the Topping D90 mQa.  Of the 3 (but only after I gave the strange idea of burn-in a try), the Matrix was my favorite - I think because of the spaciousness of the sound.

I do not have experience with FPGA or R2R dacs.

I consider(ed?) myself a detail whore ever since hearing the Elton John (self-titled) album in SACD - some 20ish years ago - the vocal isolated parts were really, really pleasingly detailed.  This was played over a Marantz sr7007, the same year's Marantz SACD multi player, and with a Rotal 1075 AMP feeding BW 600 series floorstanders with bi-wired silver audio cable.

However, when listening to the RME ADI on my youtube favs, I found the whole thing absurdly detailed - but, fatiguing and harsh at times.  I realize some of this is source - youtube.  I keep referencing the RME ADI because, compared to the others, it was a detail winner, but, to my ears, was harsh and a tiny bit thin.

So, perhaps I am not the detail fiend I thought I was - I'm actually not sure. 

I can say that I love the sound of the microphone used in the PASTE Mag concerts - that crispness that seems to pick up significant detail gives me the right emotional connection.  Again, making this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlVp9W6LvTQ - sound as good as I can is what I'm after.

End of the day, I think I am looking for the most engaging dac for vocals - I am definitely a vocals whore, and a sucker for good, sad lyrics. I HATE anything muddy, congested, or blurred, and, after a lot of paying attention, I seem to be sensitive to harshness and listening fatigue.  I realize detail and harshness/fatigue are often at odds.  I have extended my budget to the absurd to tackle this.

At any rate, after literal years of research, this is where I am.

Can you help?
~Nick

nlynchard

For a lot less money, consider a Border Patrol DAC.  Never harsh, very musical and has flesh on the bone sound.  

op

for what you are seeking, i think chord dave or hugo tt2 with m scaler is the right answer

if they sound harsh, you have nasties to resolve at the network/streaming level

done right, they unearth all the detail there is to be had, with tremendous sense of space, with zero harshness (unless it is on the recording)

I have a Weiss 501 and am very happy with it. Tried PS Audio (dull narrow sound stage), McIntosh (digital glare), and Schiit (old system, fine but not inspiring).

The Weiss hits the mark for me in bring natural, decent (but not the widest) sound stage, but most importantly is a joy to listen to.

 

i would agree the weiss is very very close to the chord stack (i have kept both), imaging is very close, chord stack a touch deeper but weiss is no slouch in that department, tonality is identical to my ears

the weiss is just wonderful and a superior one box solution with streamer integrated and fantastic additional features such as room bass node compensation, it is amazing for what it brings to the table

@jjss49 Have you heard the T+A 200 DAC?  I’ve been reading some good things and very curious.