What Does It Take To Surpass A SME V?


Thinking about the possibility of searching for a new tonearm. The table is a SOTA Cosmos Eclipse. Cartridge currently in use is a Transfiguration Audio Proteus, and it also looks like I will also have an Ortofon Verismo if a diamond replacement occurs without incident. 

The V is an early generation one but in good condition with no issues. Some folks never thought highly of the arm, others thought it quite capable. So it's a bit decisive. 

The replacement has to be 9 to 10.5 inches. I have wondered if Origin Live is worth exploring? Perhaps a generation old Triplanar from the pre owned market?

 Any thoughts on what are viable choices? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

neonknight

I’m hoping that the SME VA tonearm will become available for sale without the new SME 60 turntable, and that it’s within my budget.  A definite improvement over the SME V.

I haven’t really made any choices. I had an unexpected opportunity come my way at the end of December. A person bought a new Ortofon Verismo and at the twenty hour mark decided to dust the table and ended up removing the diamond from the cantilever. The cartridge is fine otherwise and is at VAS getting ready to receive a new diamond. Once it gets back it will go on the SOTA for an evaluation, and then we will proceed from there.

 

I find it interesting that arms get suggested that have dimensions that make it impossible to fit on the SOTA. To be honest, a good portion of the thread is not very applicable.

 

I have not decided on an arm, I am seriously considering doing it this year. But really do not have a short list of candidates. For the time being the V will stay in place. I spent a lot of money the second half of the year by buying a pair of Classe Omega monoblocks, Trinov Amethyst preamp, and found a nice Ortofon T2000 SUT.

 

As a curiosity though. Who is refreshing V’s?

I totally agree with Mijostyn about the advice that the tonearm should be tightly coupled to the turntable bearing assembly.  The two should move in unison and never in relation to one another.  However, many persons have built these very heavy, very sturdy outboard arm pods, which when mounted on the same platform/shelf/support structure as the TT itself, apparently can work quite well.  I suspect this works in proportion to the degree to which both turntable and pod are subject to the exact same environmental disturbances and react similarly to such disturbances.  This is not a question of plotting or skullduggery on anyone's part.  It's just good engineering.  Take a look at any well built turntable designed with its own plinth and tonearm; you will find that the designers arranged for the sort of tight coupling to which I refer.  The Rega P10 is light as a feather, figuratively, yet it incorporates a heavy metal girder that links the platter bearing support to the tonearm pivot.

The idea of Rigid Coupling is a Philosophy for the Mechanical Structure.

I refer to this design as a Hard Coupling, if the Material used to create the coupling has a Stable Property. 

There are other philosophies used as Well, that run parallel with he above.

Looking at how TT designs are produced today, there is certainly a deviation from certain philosophies and these are evolving into a Hybrid of the Science used to produce the coupling. A Hard and Soft Coupling are being introduced.

In relation to a Standalone Tonearm Pod, is this not just a Step further from have a Tonearm Mounted on a Sub Chassis and a Bearing Mounted on a Upper Chassis, as seen in TT Designs. 

In relation to a Standalone Tonearm Pod, it is not too much different from a Cantilever Armboard used on many modern TT designs.

It does look like there is a major shift to how modern design interprets some of these Philosophies of yesteryear, even though remaining a useful guide for adopting for use today. I follow the Rigid Coupling it suits me, to suggest it is the only method pretty much questions many TT's seen in use, that are proving to be exceptional for their impression that can be made.

Very soon my own Investigation will have been carried out, it is a interest only, not a witch hunt to prove/disprove which is better. 'If' something is discovered that is standout and attractive, then this is most likely the structure to be aspired to. 

Dear @neonknight  : " A person bought a new Ortofon Verismo and at the twenty hour mark decided to dust the table and ended up removing the diamond from the cantilever. "

My experiences about and from other audiophiles tells me that's almost imposibel to the stylus tip " been removed " from the cantilever with out any damage to the cantilever.

When  the MC2000 started t been in the market some owners claimed to Ortofon because after " 20 hours " the stylus tip just disappeared " and Ortofon took care about and obviously made the change for a new cartridge with no charge to the owners, this happened with the MC5000 but when the Anna came in the market same situation happened and as always Ortooooofon took care about. There are other similar experiences with the Bronze and I experienced other than Ortofon with VDH and one cartridge that came for a re-tipper ( A.Kim. ).

Rigth now to late but the original owner could has the Verissimo changed by Ortofon with the original Replicat 100. Yes some re-tippers say they have it but I know that are Replicant 100 and Ortofon REPLICANT 100.

Good that for a while you will follow with the V tonearm.

 

R.