room size question.

@maxwave 

My room is 12 X 30 (it is opened to the dining room )

which again, even though it opens to a dining room, this is still a lot bigger than a 11 x 12 room.        

@jond 

What is the rest of your equipment?    Though as everyone has stated it is mostly speaker positioning.

preamp : aric audio transcend

amp : Innersound esl300

cd player : ayre cx7

speakers : PBN m2 monitors

2 svs subs.

speakers are now 30" from back wall and 26" from side wall.      if you move them to far apart, then you lose imagining and just sounds like 2 speakers playing.  brought them closer together and it images just fine....but again, no soundstage. plenty of detail and vocals are clear, just missing that one thing.              i honestly think its the room .    if i had a few more feet either way, i think things would sound different / better ...and dont get me wrong, it sounds good....but just missing the one thing.

@bshaw

I would try a different speaker, if that’s a possibility. Something a little smaller.

From my experience: when I added a sub, it reduced my soundstage. I tried 5 different subs then to find one that worked.

"i honestly think its the room "

Can you change the room?

@grislybutter 

trying a different speaker is not an option ( lack of funds )

@vair68robert 

will try your suggestion tomorrow and might even pm you .

Have you tried positioning your speakers on the room diagonal?

I know all too well about lack of funds.... but you can do a Crutchfield or Amazon trial, for "free"