room size question.

@bshaw 

That is great you have treated your room. Do you have treatment for the first reflection on the side walls?

My room did not have echo prior to treatment assuming that I thought sounded great. After that, what a considerably big difference. Of course without knowing what the room is doing, we are guessing. I happen to have the tools to do this.

@highend64 

Do you have treatment for the first reflection on the side walls?

yes....that is where the diffusors are at.

@immatthewj 

i have center imagining.....but i am not getting anything more than that.    

if i go wider, then it just sounds like 2 speakers playing and have no center imagining at all.

i have center imagining.....but i am not getting anything more than that. 

 

So no matter the distance you put your speakers at, no happy medium?

Well, two things:

You listed your gear but I am not familiar with any of it (which doesn’t mean anything as a couple of decades ago I quit keeping up on this stuff) but I did find in the decade before, that as I gradually upgraded the electronics in front of my speakers, everything (sonic-wise) got bigger, better, and tighter. I said I have been out of touch for the past two decades and that is true, but over the last three years I did splurge on a new SACD player & a preamp I could not afford and, sonic wise, things are at the best they have ever been. (But, sadly, I am still not having as much fun as I had about 25 years ago.)

Secondly, I read through this entire thread starting yesterday, but I can’t remember if something like this has been proposed, but maybe start over with a clean small equilateral triangle of about 4’ in the CENTER between walls and then start increasing it by equal increments and see if you can find something. Since that equilateral triangle will start out small, keep the back wall clear of gear and obviously no gear between your speakers (everything off to one side). I think I would start out with keeping the rear wall clean as well (if it was me).

@immatthewj 

So no matter the distance you put your speakers at, no happy medium?

i keep saying that the system sounds fine, i have vocals that image from the front.....but that is where it stops. 

if you go back and watch jays audio labs video and Paul from ps audio.....they both mention that there is a soundstage and there are layers behind the speakers that they also hear.              this is what i do not get.....and hence my post about can this be achieved in a smaller room ??       if you look at the size of both of those rooms in the videos, they are big rooms....a lot bigger than mine.     i think that a small room like mine has its limitations and this is going to be it. 

 keep the back wall clear of gear and obviously no gear between your speakers (everything off to one side). I think I would start out with keeping the rear wall clean as well (if it was me).

the equipment has to stay in between the speakers , there is no other option.    the stands i have are very low.....its basically a amp stand and then a stand that is two high that has the preamp on one and the cd player below that.