Discuss The Viv Lab Rigid Arm

rauliruegas

... In reality the issue is not " dogmatic theorists " but common sense founded in the Löfgren theory where he proved through scientific equation calculations ...

The dogamtic theorists are those who understand such geometry - such as you and @mijostyn - and then assume without listening what the net sonic affect will be of those arms that defy it.

Don’t get me wrong - I’m all for pivoted arms with "proper" offset and I have no plans to change from my SME V anytime soon, if ever. But I’ve been around audio too long to dismiss a product based solely on paper specs.

As for the Viv in particular, I have other issues with it, the greatest being its mount, not its underhung geometry. But I haven’t heard it so unlike some of the armchair theorists here, I can’t pass judgment on it.

@dogberry +1

@cleeds +1

@mijostyn no buyer's remorse here. The above 2 contributors in their latest posts have hit the nail on the head. When you said the listening with your ears thing as picked up on by dogberry, I read it with incredulity. The only thing most fortunate people have to listen with is their ears, so I'll stick with that and just let the music play.

@cleeds, The problem cleeds, is that without direct AB evaluation and perhaps even some pointing out and even with a decent system, most people will not be able to discern the problem even though it is easily measurable. In other words, They think it sounds good when in actuality it does not. All ears are not created equal. All systems are not created equal. What people think they hear is meaningless. You are absolutely right about the mount. Now throw in the geometry and the bearing. What you get is a tonearm disaster. 

@alan60 , Human ears make very poor measuring equipment and you do not know what you are missing. Ignorance is bliss.

@mijostyn ​​​​​​the point here is, it is not for you to judge or pass comment on what should sound good to one individual as compared to another, everyone has their own preferences and tastes and let us be thankful for individuality.

Furthermore if the human ear cannot hear it, then who gives a stuff what they are missing as they will never know, so I am very happy to remain blissfully ignorant.

You are trying to tell people what is right and wrong in the audio world, a road from which you will not deviate and nor should others, in accordance with your own ideals, 'The Handmaid Tale' of audio springs to mind.

In my audio world there is no right and wrong just what the individual prefers.

@mijostyn

Human ears make very poor measuring equipment and you do not know what you are missing. Ignorance is bliss.

Sadly, our ears are all we got. To go against our ’lying ears’ in the name of science shows lack of conviction in the ability to form and voice an opinion.

dave