Discuss The Viv Lab Rigid Arm


I am trying to do my due diligence about this arm. I am just having a hard time getting my head around this idea of zero overhang and no offset. Does this arm really work the way it is reported to do?

neonknight

@pindac , Sorry pindac but you must live on a different planet. Just look at this discussion. Humans are endlessly competing with others and even themselves. At the route of it all is our survival instinct. If I did not compete with myself I would not be able to make the furnisher I do. Competition is healthy in us until it gets to killing each other.  All the audio manufacturers compete with other manufacturers of similar equipment. They have no choice if they want to survive. I do know that many CEOs of audio manufacturers are very close friends with other audio CEOs. AJ Conte was very close with David Fletcher. Both made turntables but they were priced at distinctly different levels and did not compete directly with each other. In fact AJ used David's basic design for his turntables with David's blessing.

We all try to buy what we think is "better." Thus the manufacturers have to make their equipment better which is a good thing. 

@rauliruegas  Read racedoc's last post. Incredible isn't it. @racedoc, you offer absolutely no rational reason why the Viv arm should not be the disaster it is.  You support it purely on an emotional basis, always the road to ruin. You obviously do not know what to listen for. Tracking angle error of that degree changes the timing between channels as the stylus is now reading one channel before the other. This is going to create a phase differential between the channels most prominent at higher frequencies working its way down as the error increases. It is that time and phase information that generates the image. With phase errors the image becomes less distinct. If you can not hear this in an AB comparison with a good normal pivoted arm like the Reed 2G or SME V it is because your system does not image correctly. Don't feel bad, very few systems do image correctly and very few audiophiles have heard a system that images correctly. Most loudspeaker/rooms are incapable of imaging correctly and that includes some very expensive ones.  

The Viv arm make a few important points. An arm that does not skate is a good thing. The compromises the Viv arm makes to achieve this are unacceptable. A tonearm has to be held rigidly in all but two directions rotation vertically and rotation horizontally. It can have absolutely no motion in any other direction or the cartridge can not make an adequate representation of the information held in the groove. The Viv arm fails to do this and It's bearing design has no real benefit.

In short, the Viv arm is a Rube Goldberg device and will do down in history as such. It will not be alone. There are many other tonearms that fit in that category. It is what happens when someone with no idea what they are doing designs what they think is a simple device.

 

Duh… the Viv arm most certainly DOES generate a skating force, except for the instant when TAE = 0. Overhung tonearms generate a skating force even at the two null points (TAE= 0), because of headshell offset.

Underhung tonearms are the antithesis of a Rube Goldberg device. You and some others dislike the idea because it seems too simple.

As said, Lets see where the snobbery goes.

From another perspective, I do see at times a little competitiveness displayed in relation to HiFi.

When attending a Local Group meeting the Hot Seat can be eyed with intention to have first dibs.

The last Biscuit can be fought over.

As for the equipment belonging to a resident system or a brought along device to be slotted in for a demonstration, I fail to see where the competitiveness is found, the musical encounter is hardly something that generates a King of the Jungle attitude. A curiosity may be expressed, by one who desires to experience an item of interest in ones own system and listening environment.

It will take some convincing to have me embrace such a display of interest as competitiveness.

I do not reveal too much about the work or materials selected to be used, that I have been shown and had descriptions of the merits, that belong to Tonearms I am very familiar with. I can see how revealing too much, might just compromise the Designer/Producers competitive edge. I would not send such a message clearly showing their has been a breach of trust. Again this is equipment based and nothing to do with enjoying a musical encounter.

Terra Firma   

@chayro The intended purpose for arm shopping is to locate a candidate for my MC2000. I need to know arm mass on the Viv arm and so far I have been unable to locate that information. Sent an email to the companies official one over a week ago, never got a response. I will stand pat with my DV505 until I can get a bit more information. 

@rauliruegas , I did not say that all new technology is better, but as a whole technology moves on and the equipment we have today is far superior the the equipment we had in the 60's. The trend is unmistakable. 

@pindac , I do not deal in snobbery pindac. That comment is just an excuse to dismiss opinions you do not like because you have no other way to counter.  The Sun rises in the east and sets in the west. You can argue about the definition of east and west but the Sun comes up over there and goes down over yonder. And, you can not do a damn thing about it.

@neonknight , Buying the Viv arm is a huge mistake. You might as well buy a Yugo.