Discuss The Viv Lab Rigid Arm


I am trying to do my due diligence about this arm. I am just having a hard time getting my head around this idea of zero overhang and no offset. Does this arm really work the way it is reported to do?

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@alan60 , It doesn't which is why I own a Schroder CB. Mr Schroder would argue that the string is pulled so tight by the neodymium magnets that it is essentially rigid. Anti skate is applied by twisting the string. The arm is also naturally dampened by the tension on the string. It is a great example of Mr Schroder's lateral thinking but not my cup of tea. On the other hand His LT model is a brilliant design and I will own one when I have a table I like that it will fit on. The CB, IMHO is as good as a pivoted offset arm gets. It ticks off every single important design feature. The only other arms that do this are the SME V, the Reed 2G, the Kuzma 4 Point, Origin live and the TriPlanar. There may be a few I am not aware of.

@lewm , You have to be kidding me Lew. After all I have said about measurement microphones, digital signal processing, and crazy microscopes? I measure everything that affects the performance of my system. If you don't you are out to sea without a compass.

 

@intactaudio , see my post above to alan60

@pindac, you build your own equipment, any of it? You measure the performance of your system with anything other than your ears? You been doing this since you were 4 years old. You spend 10 years installing very expensive systems in the homes of rich people to pay your way through medical school? You sir are a totally subjective nightmare. 

@atmasphere , 1++ Excellent dissertation Ralph. 

@rauliruegas 1++ Ditto. The key it is to maintain objectivity as far as you can and save the subjectivity for areas you can not measure or control. The Tonearm is not one of these areas. The Speaker/Room is by far the most difficult issue and subjectivity has to creep in. Here there are issues of taste and preference that go beyond measurement. It is still important to measure and understand everything you can.

@wallytools , JR, your opinion is always welcome here. Nobody is shooting at anybody and heated discussions are not a bad thing. Sometimes you have to be very specific to get the message across. There are always a few...total subjectivists around. The Viv arm is a great example of them in operation. They are entitled to ruin their own systems. But, others read these posts and I hate to see them swayed by alchemy. Yours is a voice of reason and should be heard especially when it comes to tonearms and cartridges.  

 

@mijostyn I take it you have a very short recollection, as I know you read all my posts.

I don't build anything, apart from a CDT and a few stored Cartridges, every device in use is Bespoke produced, either built from scratch or a available product undergone Substantial Modification, such as the Tonearm, Cart', Phonostage, Pre-Amp in the Making, Power Amps, Speakers.

I have fortunately never been too fixated on one system only and have as a result, of being social in the world of HiFi in my Country been demonstrated numerous devices used for analogue replays.

Like all, I arrive at a demonstration as an individual intending on using my ears, to assess the impact the set up can have on myself. When an impression is seen as valuable, the learning about the factors present that are contributors are usually encouraged to be openly discussed. Topics such a room conditioning, equipment and equipment matching, cabling, modifications or bespoke designs are the subject under discussion.

Discoveries are made that can not be made hiding away in a room, with a head full of fanciful/delusional ideas in relation to HiFi equipment. Relying on a few tools to substantiate the findings with only one interpretation of the data produced, if produced accurately at all, does not cut it for me, in relation to you.

I have already in this Thread seen your very biased and selective description of what is a audiophile, to prove your point. 

As said, lets see where the snobbery displayed by the few in cahoots goes.   

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I have waited several days before looking in. One does not want to be irritated.

...you are no[t] longer an audiophile. You are just a music lover. Not a bad place to be. Certainly a lot less expensive.

As you wish. I shall still point out when you contradict yourself. What's that? Oh, no problem, you're welcome.

If you are an opera buff then you REALLY need to go to Milan and see a show at Teatro alla Scala. It's like the Sistine Chapel for opera lovers.

And how do you know I have not done so? Let us not get into 'no true Scotsman' territory, nor even the 'no true Wagnerian' subset.

Mijo, do you also have an audio signal generator, a distortion analyzer, a high end oscilloscope, test LPs for IM and HD produced by cartridges, and etc., and is every claim you make here substantiated by hard data using valid controls? If so, I apologize.

The stuff you mentioned is mostly to allow control on the input side. You didn’t mention how you might collect and use data on the output side. Not that there’s anything wrong with using your ears.