@fredrik222 , have you asked ASR if they agree with the link you posted? I doubt they do!! That’s my point. Now that @amir_asr has joined the discussion maybe he can weigh in. But I’m guessing he is not interested in engaging, beyond the more unfortunate topic he responded to.
Why HiFi Gear Measurements Are Misleading (yes ASR talking to you…)
About 25 years ago I was inside a large room with an A-frame ceiling and large skylights, during the Perseid Meteor Shower that happens every August. This one time was like no other, for two reasons: 1) There were large, red, fragmenting streaks multiple times a minute with illuminated smoke trails, and 2) I could hear them.
Yes, each meteor produced a sizzling sound, like the sound of a frying pan.
Amazed, I Googled this phenomena and found that many people reported hearing this same sizzling sound associated with meteors streaking across the sky. In response, scientists and astrophysicists said it was all in our heads. That, it was totally impossible. Why? Because of the distance between the meteor and the observer. Physics does not allow sound to travel fast enough to hear the sound at the same time that the meteor streaks across the sky. Case closed.
ASR would have agreed with this sound reasoning based in elementary science.
Fast forward a few decades. The scientists were wrong. Turns out, the sound was caused by radiation emitted by the meteors, traveling at the speed of light, and interacting with metallic objects near the observer, even if the observer is indoors. Producing a sizzling sound. This was actually recorded audibly by researchers along with the recording of the radiation. You can look this up easily and listen to the recordings.
Takeaway - trust your senses! Science doesn’t always measure the right things, in the right ways, to fully explain what we are sensing. Therefore your sensory input comes first. You can try to figure out the science later.
I’m not trying to start an argument or make people upset. Just sharing an experience that reinforces my personal way of thinking. Others of course are free to trust the science over their senses. I know this bothers some but I really couldn’t be bothered by that. The folks at ASR are smart people too.
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The funny thing about the subjective/objective divide is that it's ALL subject to scientific evaluation. E.g. "burn-in" may be a mechanical phenomenon and measurable with tools we have or it may not yet be measurable. Or, "burn-in" may be something which happens in the brain/mind of the listener. We certainly lack to the tools to measure brains that precisely, yet. Or it may not be a phenomenon at all, either objectively or subjectively. But science cannot prove negatives. If the phenomenon exists, it falls under the remit of science, which will do the best it can, be it physics, psychology, or whatever. |
@nyev you can ask him yourself. but, audio equipment, and almost everything else, changes over time. That’s just how the universe works. but that is still not the point, the point you made is that we need keep our minds open, and you, yourself, keep your mind very closed, or you would have abandoned your straw man argument long time ago. You are the point of the point you were trying to make. |
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