What's A Good Upgrade From A Manley Steelhead?


I'm on a mission to improve my vinyl front-end. Starting point is to replace the Graham 2.2 on my Basis Audio Debut Gold Vacuum, followed by a new compatible cartridge, next will be a different phonostage.

I like the Steelhead but I'm sure there's something better out there. I've around $8K  to play with and prefer to buy used. Has anyone stepped up from the Steelhead successfully, if so, what did you buy and how much of an improvement was it?

Appreciate any thoughts/ideas? 

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Keep it or sell it and buy a 1000 dollar solid state unit and invest the money to upgrade speakers or other amplification.   Despite claims of RIAA accuracy and precise amplification the phono stage is a simple process made over complicated.  An electrical engineer I was mentoring was amused when I was looking at a 12,000 dollar audio research model.  He came back with a RadioShack plastic board powered by an eveready 9 cold dry cell and parts from the drawers at RadioShack.
Only upgraded when I went to lomc.  Still have it and laugh 

@mulveling Thanks for the info and suggestions. I'd emailed Brent and he came back with a recommendation that I just purchased - 

Amperex green and orange industrial type 6922 gold pin and NOS RCA Bronzeplate 5687.

I doubt this will take me to a place where I no longer feel an urge to upgrade, in fact I think I've just had an "Oh look a squirrel" moment, as previous rolling with the Manley has had a minimal impact (as you stated in your post, rolling won't change its spots). But it will keep me amused for another couple of weeks while I concentrate on a tonearm and cartridge upgrade. 

People used to buy used Techtronix oscilloscopes just in order to harvest the TFK 6922s inside. (Perhaps also Siemens brand.)

Tomic, any time you wanna talk Beveridge direct drive amplifiers or spkrs, you can pm me. It’s a labor of love.

I’ve probably got a few thousand dollars worth of spare tubes, capacitors, resistors, and even transistors in my basement workspace. For the Steelhead I am using 10uF Dynamicaps between phono output and attenuator. Between attenuator and outputs to the Bev amps I am using two 2uF polystyrene caps in parallel, for a total of 4uF. Made by Pacific Audio Supply, which is now sadly defunct.

@rooze , Sorry for being late to your thread. I think lewm and rauliruegas have a lot to offer on this subject. IMHO the best solid state units easily dwarf the best tube units for accuracy and quietness. The Moon phono stages are exactly the type of design I look for, well built and unadorned with rarely used switches, circuits, etc. With units like the CH and Dartzeel you are buying a bunch of capability you will never use. So why pay for it. I would be surprised if the Moons did not equal or surpass these units. My own feeling is that if you are going to use multiple arms and cartridges then you should use multiple phono stages suited to the individual cartridge.

There are two basic types of phono stages, current mode and the more common voltage mode. IMHE cartridges with an impedance less than 3 ohms will definitely perform better with a balanced current mode unit Like The Sutherland, BMC or Channel D phono stages. Above 3 ohms, if a cartridge has an output greater than 0.5 mv, current mode will work fine. Above 10 ohms a voltage mode unit is mandatory. Some phono stages will do both like the Channel D units. The best sound I ever heard coming from a turntable is from a Lyra Atlas Lambda SL through a Channel D phono stage running in current mode with digital RIAA correction. 

Signal to noise ratio is critical. Even small amounts of added noise can play havoc with the sense of reality. The Moon units are SOTA in this regard. The only phono stage that I know can do better is the Channel D Seta L20 which is pushing $50K, not what you would call a value. I have an Ortofon MC Diamond, 6 ohms with an output of 0.2 mv. It struggles through the channel D in current mode because the signal to noise ratio is not good enough. It would positively sing through the Moon units. The Lyra and a MSL Signature Platinum perform brilliantly so I plan on selling the MC Diamond. As an all around phono stage for someone who is not interested in digital RIAA correction the Moon units are unbeatable at any price level. I also believe that the absolute best sound comes from a very low impedance cartridge driving a current mode phono stage. The Channel D compromises signal to noise for a wildly wide bandwidth, 5 mHz! This approach only works with a limited number of cartridges until you get to the Seta L20 which will mate with any cartridge but at a very high price.