Best Way four Bass Array


I have heard DBA, Distributed Bass Arrays in two home systems

that both qualify as " Best Home Sound" I have heard. I have not

been in every high end home system but I have experienced some

pretty good ones. 

Here is the outline of what I consider as key features:

1. Four Passive 8" subwoofers.

2. Powered by a separate 500+watt amp.

3. Must have fully adjustable phase control. 0-180 won't do.

4. Sealed boxes for a fast, tight sound.

5. Down firing preferred.

 

Sadly This eliminates the one newer Sub I own. REL T5 x as it does not have the required type of phase adjustment control. Also powered.

Readers that have been down this path, please give me a Brand to consider. 

I want this to be a $3-4k adventure. Buying used is best.

 

If you do not subscribe to this bass system, I understand. Please start your

new counter thread rather than pollute here.

Thanks!

 

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@jeffseight wrote:  "What new products do you have in work?"

I'm working on a "satellite" speaker intended to be used with subwooofers.  The emphasis is on room interaction characteristics which effectively present the venue cues on the recording, the intention being to enable a "you are there" presentation in a fairly normal playback room with a good recording.  So the radiation pattern is a bit unorthodox. 

Details if you're up for some geekspeak.

Duke

@audiokinesis   Sounds fascinating, I'd like to hear about those radiation patterns...

I've been playing about the idea of a 'low rent' DIY DBA mated to a Walsh array, simply since it makes sense to me....*S*

Geek away.... ;)

@avsjerry wrote: "Sounds fascinating, I’d like to hear about those radiation patterns... Geek away.... ;)"

Okay, first a bit of background:

In the playback room there is a competition between two sets of ambience cues: The venue spatial cues on the recording (whether they be real or engineered or both), and the “small room signature” cues inherent to the playback room. The ear will tend to accept whichever “package” of cues is the most plausible. What we want to do is, minimize the “small room signature” cues while maximizing the venue spatial cues on the recording, such that the latter become perceptually dominant, enabling a “you are there” presentation (given a good recording).

The first in-room reflections are the strongest conveyors of the playback room’s “small room signature” cues, and the reverberation tails on the recording are the strongest conveyors of the venue spatial cues on the recording. We can think of the in-room reflections as “carriers” for the reverberation tails on the recording, which ideally should arrive from all around.

Thus we want to minimize and/or disrupt the early reflections, as these are what indicate the dimensions of the playback room. Then we want plenty of spectrally-correct, relatively late-arriving reflections, arriving from many directions, and thereby delivering the reverberation tails on the recording from many directions. The ear/brain system recognizes these reverberation tails by their harmonic structures, so we want the overtones in the reflections to be intact. If the late-arriving reflections have their upper harmonics removed by in-room absorption they will no longer be identifiable as “signal” and will become “noise”, so for this approach we don’t want to rely on absorptive room treatments.

The radiation pattern I use to do this has two parts: First, the forward-firing pattern is narrow enough that it “misses” the same-side wall when the speakers are strongly toed-in (they are designed to be toed-in about 45 degrees). So the first significant sidewall reflection for the left speaker is the long, across-the-room bounce off the right-side wall, and vice-versa. Therefore the arrival times of the most significant first reflections are much later than would have normally been the case in that size room, which weakens and disrupts the “small room signature” of the playback room, setting the stage for the recording venue package of cues on the recording to dominate.

The second part of the radiation pattern is aimed up-and-back at a 45-degree angle, such that it bounces off the wall behind the speakers and then off the ceiling before arriving at the listening position. The resulting path-length-induced delay prevents these reflections from contributing detrimental early-onset “small room signature” cues, so their contribution becomes beneficial late-arriving reflections which arrive from many directions (remember the speakers are toed-in so the rear-firing patterns are correspondingly toed-out). The reverberation tails on the recordings are thereby effectively presented.

Not that this is the only way to minimize small-room-signature while effectively presenting the venue spatial cues on the recording, but it is less demanding of listening room size and/or professional-grade acoustic treatment, and generally more forgiving of listener locations, than other approaches.

In my opinion.

Duke