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I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements

My expensive shoes have measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will they fit. My expensive new suit has measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will my expensive new shoes match.

The people being misled by measruements aren’t being led my manufacturers, they are being misled by reviewers. Idiotic rankings of digital gear based on measurements outside the range of human hearing. Cancelling entire brands who put out features customers actually want as they sell to humans, not bats. The worst of these websites will rant about their own superior $$$ equipment but mot even one person will ever use speakers in a klippel matchine, they actually put them in a room! The horror. The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

You need to measure what matters! Are the customers actually happy? Is the warranty honored? Most importantly is their an in home audition period?
I don’t need someone to tell me if I could or should like a product. My room is not a test bench, or a klippel machine. Who cares what the component measures by itself because unless its a clock radio I’ll never use it by itself, I have to interconnect it in a "system" with "high quality" cables, (as in all cables are not the same).

If you want to measure something measure how your personal system of curated components interact with your room. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you could forget because these days if a brand overpromises and under delivers they will be following a formula for losing money, an no company likes that.

kota1
kota1 OP
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@texbychoice 

Many years spent designing and testing complex electronic systems.  Measuring and testing was excruciatingly long and detailed process.  The last hurdle was performance in the intended environment.  Measurements provided a reasonable predictor of performance, but never 100%.  

Much respect, good example of being legit. The bogus measurements that are used to promote a product or promote the person doing the measuring=bogus. 

Measurements are what they are, if the suit is a 38 and I'm a 38 will it fit. Will I like it. who knows. Will my spouse like it? LOL. 

You got to try the suit on, look in the mirror, and ask your wife.

You gotta bring gear home, audition it, and probably ask your wife (LOL on the WAF). There is NO measurement that can predict how a product will pass the hurdles.

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clearthinker
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@kota1 

Thank you for that definition.

But surely it should be 'something which you think is offensive'.

Taking offence is rather like judging sound quality.  We each do it differently and far too much importance is attached to what at best is entirely subjective.

thespeakerdude
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@kota1

 

Repeatedly members on this site say that measurements don’t matter, and that sites like ASR have no influence in the audiophile community.

If that is the case, how could those sites possibly "cancel" a brand that caters to audiophiles.

I don’t think you have provided any good examples of a bogus measurement. The only one that comes close is in regards to a $5,000 AVR, were the performance was good enough, which was recognized on one graph, but the overall conclusion was that the high price was not justified given the high price. I have a hard to interpreting that as cancelling.

There is obviously the ongoing argument about what is audible, with the science sites taking a stance that they feel can be supported by science. I think it is a fair argument that in some cases system level issues such as system level noise, perhaps recognized, are overly glossed over. You could argue the conclusions are even too black and white for the average non technical reviewer. You are going to have far more success with these as arguments as opposed to something easily dismissed. If you care about the validity of measurements, why not address that with Amir as opposed to making assertions that are easily dismissed?

kota1 OP
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@clearthinker

It goes both ways, bogus measurements can be use to cancel a brand or to promote one as well. It depends on what you measure and the context of how the product is used. It doesn't have to be offensive to be bogus.

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yoyoyaya
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Summary of this lengthy topic. Bogus is whatever Kota 1 wants it to be.

On that basis, as they say over here on Dragon's Den, I'm out.

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