Why HiFi Gear Measurements Are Misleading (yes ASR talking to you…)


About 25 years ago I was inside a large room with an A-frame ceiling and large skylights, during the Perseid Meteor Shower that happens every August. This one time was like no other, for two reasons: 1) There were large, red, fragmenting streaks multiple times a minute with illuminated smoke trails, and 2) I could hear them.

Yes, each meteor produced a sizzling sound, like the sound of a frying pan.

Amazed, I Googled this phenomena and found that many people reported hearing this same sizzling sound associated with meteors streaking across the sky. In response, scientists and astrophysicists said it was all in our heads. That, it was totally impossible. Why? Because of the distance between the meteor and the observer. Physics does not allow sound to travel fast enough to hear the sound at the same time that the meteor streaks across the sky. Case closed.

ASR would have agreed with this sound reasoning based in elementary science.

Fast forward a few decades. The scientists were wrong. Turns out, the sound was caused by radiation emitted by the meteors, traveling at the speed of light, and interacting with metallic objects near the observer, even if the observer is indoors. Producing a sizzling sound. This was actually recorded audibly by researchers along with the recording of the radiation. You can look this up easily and listen to the recordings.

Takeaway - trust your senses! Science doesn’t always measure the right things, in the right ways, to fully explain what we are sensing. Therefore your sensory input comes first. You can try to figure out the science later.

I’m not trying to start an argument or make people upset. Just sharing an experience that reinforces my personal way of thinking. Others of course are free to trust the science over their senses. I know this bothers some but I really couldn’t be bothered by that. The folks at ASR are smart people too.

nyev

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Sure, that’s fine. Except that opinion offers no justification for your characterization of Amir’s position, re any specific instance where he didn’t listen.

The specific instance - something we debated at the time - is immaterial. My opinion, which I need not justify to your satisfaction, is that a review of an audio component that doesn’t include listening is of little to no value. And we all know that Amir doesn’t always bother to listen, and has extensive, wordy rationalizations to justify that. He has lots and lots of words.

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@cleeds 

'My opinion (.........) is that a review of an audio component that doesn’t include listening is of little to no value.'

In general:

If everyone hears differently, shouldn't the listening to audio components not done by the person who is interested in a specific product (TT, DAC, amp and so on)?

For example, would it be of big help for me if somebody tells me how a product sounds?  I need to hear it with my own ears and brain in order to make a judgement.

What good does it if somebody tells others how a component sounds? Or is the difference in hearing between people so small that it doesn't matter? So that we can rely on anybody's comments about the kind sound he is hearing?

I do not know.

Cheers, eagledriver

 

Here are some comments from a well known audiophile reviewer about a speaker he reviewed. What valuable information do you think you are getting out of this?

 

I heard steady improvements in clarity and a stunningly low noise floor as I moved up.

The reviewer is not talking about powered speakers. He is talking about passive speakers. Noise floor, passive speakers? Not the best thing to say to be credible.

 

In my usual speaker position, which is 2-3 feet from the rear,

He means front and 2-3 feet is not nearly enough to get rid of SBIR effects.

 

This is his listening room.

  • I am not sure what those panels will accomplish on the front wall. Too thin to absorb SBIR frequencies, and even if they could, the panels are too small, even at 2-3 feet to be very effective.
  • Equipment well placed for early reflections. (to have them)
  • Tube amplifier. Its output resistance which will not be the same as most SS amps or even other tube amps will color the sound. YMMV if you are not using the same.

What good does it if somebody tells others how a component sounds?

That’s for you to decide. Sometimes, as can happen with a movie or music critic, you find someone whose taste coincides with yours. That gives their opinion more weight. In audio for example, listeners may often independently conclude that a certain speaker tends to sound "bright," and that can be useful.

I need to hear it with my own ears and brain in order to make a judgement.

I agree completely, although I spell judgment differently. Of course, as has been shown in this thread, some dismiss those experiences completely. While that’s fine, it doesn’t obligate anyone here to submit to their demands for proof.