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I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements

My expensive shoes have measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will they fit. My expensive new suit has measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will my expensive new shoes match.

The people being misled by measruements aren’t being led my manufacturers, they are being misled by reviewers. Idiotic rankings of digital gear based on measurements outside the range of human hearing. Cancelling entire brands who put out features customers actually want as they sell to humans, not bats. The worst of these websites will rant about their own superior $$$ equipment but mot even one person will ever use speakers in a klippel matchine, they actually put them in a room! The horror. The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

You need to measure what matters! Are the customers actually happy? Is the warranty honored? Most importantly is their an in home audition period?
I don’t need someone to tell me if I could or should like a product. My room is not a test bench, or a klippel machine. Who cares what the component measures by itself because unless its a clock radio I’ll never use it by itself, I have to interconnect it in a "system" with "high quality" cables, (as in all cables are not the same).

If you want to measure something measure how your personal system of curated components interact with your room. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you could forget because these days if a brand overpromises and under delivers they will be following a formula for losing money, an no company likes that.

kota1
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clearthinker
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As my opinion has been sought, I have to say I have not been impressed with the way this thread has been going for the last page and a bit.  No substantive point has been made by either side for a good while.

This may be because OP is not assigning BOGUS its correct meaning.  But whatever, if he is not taken in by some published measurements that's great, but he doesn't have to tell us for three pages, we are not that interested in his point of view anyway.  Anyway, most of us can easily see when a measurement is not useful.

I think though OP may have broken one record here, that is to make the largest proportion of posts on a thread that he started.  This tends to suggest he is over-opinionated.  More fool us for responding to what has now become a tirade, and a dull one at that.

kota1 OP
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@clearthinker

I have to say I have not been impressed with the way this thread has been going for the last page and a bit

OK, fair point.

This may be because OP is not assigning BOGUS its correct meaning.

From the OP

The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

that is to make the largest proportion of posts on a thread that he started

Hmmm, I didn’t know this was a forum rule.

More fool us for responding to what has now become a tirade

You obviously support tyrants who cancel brands by publishing metrics that have 0 relevance to the sound quality of the product. Are you defending these bullies? I can’t believe you would do that on this forum, why?

asctim
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If measurements don’t help us get the sound we’re after then we need different measurements. If two different components are almost universally agreed to sound different than each other there should be something we can measure to at least show there’s a difference in their performance that is known to be audibly different. Where I have problems with some "subjectivists" is when they objectively state there’s a substantial sonic difference but there’s nothing obvious in any measurements and nobody can tell the difference in a blind test. They attack the test and the measurements without even entertaining the thought that maybe there’s something psychological going on with their perception of the sound that has nothing to do with the actual soundwaves that are reaching their ears.

kota1 OP
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If measurements don’t help us get the sound we’re after then we need different measurements.

I find the in room FR measurements helpful.

nobody can tell the difference in a blind test.

That’s why I find measurements bogus when they try and promote a product as superior based on a graph of some sort. My in room FR measures well because of my effort in making it that way, not because of my DAC’s measurements, or whatever.

They attack the test

This paper on interconnect pathway measurements was published on AES

The author has spoken at over 100 topics and has received numerous awards.

The contradiction to the agenda of the lowlifes publishing bogus measurements sent them straight into a meltdown. Instead of publishing something themselves in AES with facts they simply attacked the test and the author.

The author has a link to reply to these attacks at the top of this paper.

 

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