More Bass


I recently purchase a pair of Legacy Signature speakers from an on-line retailer. I purchased them unheard, but I did my due diligence in researching them and I would have thought with the 7" woofers and a rated frequency response of 22-30K hz, there would have been a bit more bass (although there is a couple of tunes I have played where there is some bass that is really deep and sounds all garbled, very weird, but I just won’t listen to those songs,I guess).

I bought floor standers so I wouldn’t have to deal with the hassle that goes along with setting up subwoofers, also with all the space they take up and the negative WAF that goes along with them.

They are a little bright on the top end, but I’ll blame that on my room, it probably needs more treating, just limited on funds at the moment.

If I thought I needed subwoofers, I'm thinking I might have bought a pair of Fritz bookshelfs and a pair of subs, for probably less than the Sigs.

The price of Legacy subs is over the top for me, so do you think there is any way to get more bass without subs or are there any subs that are a bit smaller, that might do the trick as I am pretty limited on space (and funds as previously mentioned!) Thanks

 

 

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Two things that strike me about this thread.  One, Legacy speakers are never light on bass.  Two, they also never sound bright (with ample electronics as you seem to have).  I have owned Legacy speakers for 25 years - exclusively.  I've had OG Classics, OG Focus, Silverscreen II, Silverscreen HD (currently own) and Focus SEs (currently own).  When I had crappy electronics back in the late 90s, the Classics could definitely sound a bit harsh.  But they produced very solid bass even with said crappy gear.  I think my amp back then was an Acurus A125X5.  It was cheap but still allowed the Classics to thump pretty hard.  My room was not as big as yours since I rented back then.  But it was open into the dining room and kitchen, so it wasn't too far off.  There was also a slider off to the right going out to a balcony.  And it's coverings were not sound absorbing.  The ceilings were also only 8'.  These probably explain most of that harshness.  How is the room if you walk around and clap? (I recommend doing this when your wife is running an errand :D).  I'm guessing it will echo like crazy...

Room layout and speaker positioning is key and I see that several have mentioned that.  You don't even have to go wild with placement - since I know you are not able to.  A few inches could make a drastic difference.  And don't over-do toe-in.  That is a common mistake.  Mine fire nearly straight out into my room.  Maybe 2 to 4 degrees at the listening position which is 9' away.

Since sound panels or diffusers aren't an option for you, there may be little you can do to tame the room's harshness.  But again, speaker positioning can help to a degree.

@audiom3 I agree with your statement about the equipment, I really have my homework cut out for me with this room, just not sure what I can do about it.

>> how do I go about doing this "Measuring" <<

Well, either you do the work learning to use OmniMic or REW or something similar, or you don’t. There are no special tricks; it just takes doing it a few, or a few dozen, times. There’s quite a bit online, especially for REW. Besides the mic and software, you need a standard mic stand (about $35 last I looked).

Measurement is cheaper than most audio things (especially exotic cables) and has a better payback than many audio things, but it has a little DIY in it and is not something one can just buy and enjoy. It’s not for everyone. But I think you’re probably up for it.

If you have a Windows laptop available, I’d recommend OmniMic2, which I found easier to set up and learn than REW. But thousands of audiophiles use REW every day.

 

Another fun tool is a simple App on your phone.  Spectroid is a frequency measurement tool.  Take your phone and sit in your listening position.  You will see the bass response in relation to other frequencies.  make sure the recording is one that has low frequencies.  Most don't have much below 35 Hz but some recordings go to 25Hz.  Make sure the bass is as loud as other frequencies, kinda close, not louder.  During my placement wars, there were times the bass completely cancelled out in my listening position!  Now I have beautiful, detailed bass. 

I have traps.  Quite a few, but not enough bass traps.  There are rectangular and cylindrical(best}f, corner triangle, also good.  you can also add traps with paintings or pictures, at a cost.