Is Imaging Worth Chasing?


Man, am I going to be torn apart for this. But I says what I says and I mean what I says.

Here’s a long term trend I’ve noticed in the audio press. Specs that used to be front and center in equipment reviews have essentially disappeared. Total harmonic distortion, for instance. Twenty years ago, THD was the start and end of the evaluation of any amplifier. Well, maybe power, first. Then THD. Armed with those two numbers, shopping was safe and easy.

The explanation for the disappearance is not hard to figure. Designers got so good in those categories that the numbers became meaningless. Today, most every amp on the shelf has disappearingly low distortion. Comparing .00001 to .000001 is a fool’s errand and both the writers and the readers know it. Power got cheap, even before Class D came along to make it even cheaper. Anyone who tries bragging about his 100 watts will be laughed out of the audio club.

Stereophile still needed to fill it’s pages and audiophiles still needed things to argue about so, into the void, stepped imaging. Reviewers go on and on about imaging. And within the umbrella of imaging, they write separately about the images height, width, and depth. “I closed my eyes and I could see a rock solid picture of the violas behind the violins.” “The soundstage extended far beyond the width of the speakers.” And on and on.

Now, most everyone who will read this knows more about audio equipment than me. But I know music. I know how to listen. And the number of times that I’ve seen imaging, that I’ve seen an imaginary soundstage before me, can be counted on my fingers. Maybe the fingers of one hand.

My speakers are 5-6 feet apart. I don’t have a listening chair qua listening chair but I’m usually 8-9 feet back. (This configuration is driven by many variables but sound quality is probably third on the list.) Not a terrible set-up, is my guess from reading lots of speaker placement articles. And God knows that, within the limited space available to me, I have spent enough time on getting those speakers just right. Plus, my LS50s are supposed to be imaging demons.

I’ve talked to people about this, including some people who work at high-end audio stores. Most of them commiserate. It’s a problem, they said. “It usually only happens with acoustic music,” most of them said. Strike one. My diet of indie rock and contemporary jazz doesn’t have much of that. “You’ve got to have your chair set up just right. And you’ve got to hold your head in just the right place.” Strike two. Who wants to do that?

(Most of the people reading this forum, probably. But I can’t think of any time or purpose for which I’ve held my head in a vise-like grip like that.)

It happens, every now and then. For some reason, I was once right up next to my speakers. Lots of direct sound, less reflections. “The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads” was playing. And I literally gave a start because David Byrne was standing on the coffee table. Cool.

But, generally speaking, imaging is something I only read about. And if that little bit of imaging is the dividend of dropping more money into my system, I’m not sure that I want to deposit into that account.

I think that I still have a few steps to take that will pay benefits other than imaging. But maybe the high-end is not for me.

paul6002

All of these sonic qualities in my system can be jerked around with if the supply power is janky. I have reasonably clean mains power to my house, but it's those late night sessions in moderate weather when my local residents are not running air-conditioning systems (heating or cooling) that the sound become ethereal good. I have tried Shunyata power conditioners but they can be muting, Been looking at various power conditioners such as the Puritan Audio line which have been getting good reviews, but it's another chunk of change.

I have to say, though, that a recent foray into vibration management using mostly DIY brass anchors has been doing wonders for my system.

@thespeakerdude 

@mijostyn I can't agree with you on line source provide better imaging in a well set up room.

You argue too much. If you have a "well set up room" please post a pic and your system.

Imaging did not mean much to the late Art Dudley. There is a video where he speaks with Herb Reichert about imaging.

yes - certainly - absolutely - without qualification

essential aspect of creating a reasonable, credible facsimile of a real performance

not all recordings have good soundstaging info... but when you have heard a proper setup playing material that throws a proper image, in size, width, depth, specificity, you get what the essence of this pursuit is all about, the utter joy it brings

@kota1 , I will repeat what I said in another topic where you trolled my post. Was not having your whole topic removed a good enough lesson on behavior?  It is rude to use a discussion for what now appears to be a vendetta.

@kota1  you posted, in a single topic, no less than 6 links to videos and articles that were either very questionable in content, or outright grossly wrong.  I would appreciate if you stopped your incessant inane attempts to discredit me and worry more about your own credibility.