Shindo Masseto w Koetsu .3mv output


Hoping to get opinions on whether the MC stage of a Shindo Masseto has enough gain to produce strong dynamics from a Koetsu Rosewood Sig Platinum cartridge  (.3mv output). Or would I need a SUT?

 

Bonus question: any opinions on whether I would get better overall sound using an Aurieges pre (newer version) w an Hommage SUT through its MM section, or by playing straight into the MC section of a Masseto? The cost of each of these setups could be close to one another on the used market. When I say better sound, my priorities are a very organic "you are there midrange", lots of instrumental textures, realistic soundstage cues, and overall emotional impact of the music.

 

Thanks very much for any thoughts. My table is a Sota Nova vacuum and tonearm is Jelco TK-850 10". Amps are Quicksilver v4 monoblocks.

montaldo

@charles1dad

I did own Shindo pre paired with a bespoke 300B mono amp. Perhaps the best pre till date I’ve experienced in my system. Ken Shindo was a genius in connecting its listeners intimately to music through his masterpieces. I wish, I would have never sold the Monbrison but my plans kinda fell through. In case of his amps, I felt high efficiency speakers (97dB>) or the ones with field coil tech is the only way to experience full impact of Shindo delicious sound. Now that I’ve heard field coil speakers, the desire to put together all Shindo system with Giscours Pre and WE 300B Single Limited amp getting stronger as each day goes by :-)

As to Aurender sound characteristics, I’ll comment on what’ve consistently heard regardless of downstream components cause in 10 plus years of owning Aurender, I’ve been through lot of components. The sound of Aurender is incredibly faithful, airy with reverberation around the recording space. You’re immersed with musicality that has a larger than life sound.

Aurender is one of the best designed and engineered audio component that I’ve the pleasure to use and experience. Pair it with a high quality DAC and Switch and you’re in for a royal treat.

@lalitk 

I really appreciate your feedback and insight. At one time I gave serious thought to acquiring a Shindo preamplifier and amplifier combo. I subsequently chose the Coincident pairing and have been thrilled. However I believe that I’d have been very pleased with Shindo as well. Decisions!😊

I do not have a single doubt that if you ever decide to go with the Shindo Giscours and WE 300b SET pairing, there would be no looking back. Your comments on Aurender attributes are very encouraging without question. Thank you.

Charles 

Hi guys. Returning to this thread because I actually bought a Masseto! I have had it up and running for a few days now. It sounds beautiful and seems to have adequate gain for my koetsu rwsp, just as you all predicted.

An unexpected oddity emerged though. I have a audio note 2.1 kits DAC with some modifications. I don't believe it's known to have a very high output (2v a friend of mine tells me). Yet with the volume control at 9:00 on the Shindo the volume is very loud. Comparable volume for the phono is more like 10:30 or 11:00. I just can't understand it. 

Any thoughts? I believe I read somewhere that the mosseto has only 16DB gain line stage.

 

Hi,

Well, 16 db of gain is still a pretty decent amount and it’s possible that your DAC could have more than the assumed 2V output.

Charles 

If it has an output of 2V, that is way higher than the phono section. 2V is typical of most DACs, so I’m not sure why you’re surprised that the DAC needs more attenuation than the phono. That’s normal.