Vibration isolation or absorption?

Can you provide examples of which firms do mechanical grounding Products?

Hello, jumia,

Not many of us have the patience and capability to apply the correct geometry and material science formulas for audio products. Unlike a spring, absorption puck, or damping wafer, these designs take a lot more research, development, and testing before becoming recognized by the public as a tell-all product.

Companies using mechanical grounding technologies are the minority compared to the isolation, decoupling, and energy absorption versions in today’s marketplace. 

When AudioGon opened for business, we announced the first equipment rack designed to vibrate. It took five years for people, the naysayers, and the press to use and recognize the technology we innovated. 

AudioGon had no moderators during those times. I was ridiculed, called stupid names, and took everything the members dished out. In my opinion, the High-End Audio Industry is hesitant to accept change or new advancements in technical achievements until there is advertising money involved.

We knew it was only time until the products would speak for themselves and lead the Company. Now, we are the oldest surviving vibration management company involved in audio.

Our Cello and Acoustic Bass End Pins took twenty years to develop and market. The first racks,  known as Sistrum Platforms, took ten years, and the Rhythm Platforms required fourteen years to advance performance. The Energy Room took twenty-five years to manufacture, and Live-Vibe’s first offering, the Audio Points™, took six years of testing, shaping, and beta listening. 

Goldmund is a European counterpart that uses mechanical grounding in all their electronics and speaker designs. They spent the time required to develop a highly respected line of products and show how mechanical grounding provides a higher sonic outcome.

Shun Mook was another of the earliest companies in this country to understand and adapt mechanical grounding techniques to their equipment offerings.

These are a few of the companies that adopt and expand mechanical grounding technologies. We are outnumbered in the isolation-decoupling department as there are hundreds of these to choose from.    

The term mechanical grounding, associated with parts and equipment chassis’ is another word for direct coupling.

Robert

You are indeed playing semantic games, and are clearly biased given that you have related products for sale. Also, please stop with the straw men.

That difference that can be very important, and your attempts to conflate them, presumably for marketing purposes, are obvious. 

Whipsaw,

All I did was answer your questions. Sorry if I offended you. 

I am here to show there is a superior methodology that exists in this industry and has for a very long time. We are capable of explaining more, having more experience, and seeing through the newfound world of decoupling products and their hundreds of manufacturers with their own stories. 

Add to that, we are willing to put our products to any test in your own home with your own system. There are no straw men in that offer.

We also have a right to use AudioGon for advertising or promotional purposes as we pay a monthly fee to their advertising programs. There are a host of dealers, manufacturers, and reviewers doing this on all forum-based businesses. Some of them hide behind the smoke and others come forth and admit it. Either way, marketing is like vibration, it is everywhere.

Send me pics of your room and system. I will tell you what I think and recommend items, not necessarily ours, that will improve your system. 

Robert

@audiopoint 

We also have a right to use AudioGon for advertising or promotional purposes as we pay a monthly fee to their advertising programs. There are a host of dealers, manufacturers, and reviewers doing this on all forum-based businesses. Some of them hide behind the smoke and others come forth and admit it. Either way, marketing is like vibration, it is everywhere.

Wow, I almost had to do a double take!

Such candidness is unlikely to make many friends but it is certainly refreshing to see such honesty in a public forum.

As for your statement :

I was ridiculed, called stupid names, and took everything the members dished out.

In my opinion, the High-End Audio Industry is hesitant to accept change or new advancements in technical achievements until there is advertising money involved.

That sounds about right too (just check out some of the recent ASR threads).

This open approach is no doubt the better way to do business. For that I wish you continued success. It's only fair and right that the customer deserves sympathetic respect and not routine deception.

It's quite amazing how the market for decoupling products has grown to such an extent in such a short time. We're now even seeing lossy decoupling being built in to products such as the Q Acoustics Concept range of loudspeakers.

All I did was answer your questions. Sorry if I offended you. 

I am here to show there is a superior methodology that exists in this industry and has for a very long time. We are capable of explaining more, having more experience, and seeing through the newfound world of decoupling products and their hundreds of manufacturers with their own stories. 

Robert, I find your continued dishonesty, coupled with arrogance, to be deeply off-putting. 

Had you joined this thread and made it clear that you manufacture and sell coupling devices (e.g. spikes, etc.), then readers might have better understood your efforts to denigrate decoupling devices. Instead, you made no clear mention of your conflict of interest, and attempted, dishonestly, to argue that decoupling is somehow unscientific. 

Now you claim to have a "superior methodology", and the ability to see "through the newfound world of decoupling products and their hundreds of manufacturers with their own stories."

Never mind that Isoacoustics and Townsend Audio, arguably the two leaders in decoupling technology for audiophiles, have been in business for over 10 and 20 years respectively. Never mind that some very high-class manufacturers (e.g. Marten, Wolf von Langa, Spatial, Dynaudio, etc.) are including such products with some of their models.

So no, it's not a "newfound world", but one with decades of R&D and sales to its credit. And any suggestion that those manufacturers are somehow missing the boat because they aren't using your products instead would be dubious, to put it very kindly.

Let me be clear about something: I have not heard your products, and make no judgement about them. Perhaps they are excellent in some applications, and represent very good value. But even if that were true it would be beside the point.

I have no problem with manufacturers or dealers marketing their products, but have no patience for those who choose to do so in other than a transparent, and straightforward manner. If you were willing to give some credit to other manufacturers, and recognize the value of decoupling devices in certain applications, I, and I expect other readers, would likely be more open to your efforts to differentiate your products. 

As it stands, I see mostly hyperbole, dubious tactics, and arrogance.