Vibration isolation or absorption?

Robert, I find your continued dishonesty, coupled with arrogance, to be deeply off-putting.  

OK Whipsaw, 

If you have nothing for me on a technical or musical level, please write me off. 

You have attacked my honesty. That aggravates me to no end, so before I return the favor, this is for you. 

Permit me to defend myself. 

Do not reply using the shill response tactic because that will not affect me in any way whatsoever. 

I toured live sound as a FOH and Monitor engineer from 1973 through 1984 and worked with a lengthy list of the finest musicians and recording stars. Some have passed, and a few to date remain touring stadium venues. During that time, I also worked as a stage manager at the Roxy Theater and mixed music in a few of the finest recording studios in the USA.

Due to a back injury, my professional sound career was cut short, so I spent the next thirty-nine years in the High-End Audio business studying and working with vibration and resonance.

The first product, Audio Points was released for public consumption in 1988 and sold more than one million units two years ago. They are still selling, setting new sales records year in and year out. One would think hundreds of them would be for sale in the used market, so where are they?

Audio Points led us to manufacture variable-height wood shelving using threaded rods on equipment racking through the 90s. The next step was the Sistrum Platforms that sold from 2000 through 2014. As our technology advanced, the Sistrums were discontinued for the Rhythm Platforms that remain our current offerings.

We innovated the Brass End Pins for cello, bass clarinet, and acoustic bass are selling throughout the world.

The Energy Room. A first-of-its-kind product in the Audio Industry is posted on our website.

Now we are advancing the technology to new levels showing heat reduction and energy conservation. A single technology with many arms and all of them are proving positive.  

You are listed as a member since 2004. My guess is you did not take part in any of the earlier threads on AudioGon where I was one of the first to note ownership in a vibration management business.

There are many threads in the past where I provided listeners with differences in how things work. Max jumped up and down on the floor displaying his top-of-the-line product and comparing it to a few dollars worth of cheap spikes. Then there was the acoustic engineer with the aluminum cone and a tiny handheld music box stating our technology cannot work. How about the other company you believe to be a leader again comparing their top-end products with the one-dollar nail head spike? 

How far do you want me to go? There is more marketing versus science going on in the decoupling world. But you believe in their processes so continue with that knowledge, and I hope you reach your goals. 

My offer of placing our products in your system still stands. Why not let your ears decide?

Robert

I tried to warn you guys, arguing is futile, so it is best to just... 

Believe It or Not.

Robert, I have been here a long time (since 99) and I have watched you verbosely try and convince others that your science and products are the clear winner, on thread after thread, in a hobby where there will never be an accepted clear winner.  Many here seem to like your products, so don't try so hard.  You are wearing people out. 

Sandwiches to the Rescue.

My Springy wood floors are problematic. I ended up with the Vintage JVC TT with very heavy 7 layer plinth.

Next put TT on these, a trial, they luckily were just right.

https://www.amazon.com/Turntable-Equipment-Tuneful-Cables-Audiophile/dp/B076DGD3X2/ref=sr_1_49_sspa?crid=1A5II64NBAYDP&keywords=acoustic%2Bisolation%2Bpads&qid=1681247023&sprefix=acoustic%2Bisolation%2B%2Caps%2C92&sr=8-49-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExSUpGNUJCRVlTTzVFJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODMwNjE4MlI5S1dRVVVPRk0wNSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDIzNDY2Mlc2UUlCVEhDVjlBTiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

So, the TT/Plinth/Adjustable legs were essentially solid, thus Stylus/Arm solid for play.

Then, below that, some rubber/cork blocks allow/minimize the effects of the springy wood floor, to the point that vertical vibration is dealt with, to a degree that allows me to get a step or two away while the stylus drops.

Apply the sandwich to Speakers, rigid (speaker bottom or platform if enclosure not very solid, on flexible (just enough) to isolate down/up vibrations

You have attacked my honesty. That aggravates me to no end...

No, Robert, I haven’t "attacked" your honesty, I have exposed it. That you would again play semantic games in an effort to serve your thinly veiled marketing purposes confirms it as a running theme in your posts.

Regurgitating your resume, and various assertions relating to the success of your products, is not only a red herring, but also notable in that I have never said anything negative about them.

In stark contrast, you seem to feel the irrepressible urge to attempt to denigrate the products of at least some of your competitors. It wasn’t enough for you to suggest, ludicrously, that there is no meaningful distinction between coupling and decoupling devices, you had to go further and assert that only the former fall into the category of "accepted science"! And apparently even that was insufficient, as evidenced by this petty, and frankly pathetic display:

Max jumped up and down on the floor displaying his top-of-the-line product and comparing it to a few dollars worth of cheap spikes.

Never mind that Max isn’t around to defend himself, or that his isolation products are held in very high regard by many audiophiles and professionals in the industry, the overriding point is that those who have real confidence in the products that they sell, and themselves, almost never feel the need to stoop to such tawdry tactics.

Everyone who has been in the game for some time understands that there are snake oil salesmen, and that many products sold represent poor relative value. That’s not news. But when you say this:

There is more marketing versus science going on in the decoupling world.

it is yet another example of your attempts to sell your own devices by raising dubious questions about the validity of those employing different designs. And it bears repeating: Given that high-class manufacturers including Marten, Wolf von Langa, Spatial, and Dynaudio are including such products with some of their models, it simply isn’t credible to suggest that those products somehow lack real-world efficacy.

@audiopoint 

Do you have details of your system I would be very interested.