Seeking more 3d imaging, deeper/wider soundstage

"Even a cheap system should image and play depth. More has to do with setup (not just placement of the speakers in the room) than anything else"

When I read this nonsense you don't understand audio.

I have done thousend of tests in more than 16 years of time I do this work. Differences in depth between speakers, amps, pre amps, sources, cables and even conditioners are huge.

I can create a lot of depth even when speakers are placed near the wall. Stuppid remark again. When you use an amp and speakers which can give a wide and deep stage you also can create a deep stage. Roomcorrection makes the stage also deeper, it gives you more accuracy.

Every single tool I test for what kind of image it gives. These differences in depth are big.

When you use those brands which can create more depth, you make it yourself a lot more easy.

Ofcourse when you put speakers more of the wall you get moe depth. But when an amp is poor in depth, you never get a deep stage.

And yes tubes are a great example which often can create a nice deep sound.

At the end there are different ways to create a deep stage. Don't forget that at most shows many demos are flat and are often 2 dimensional.

I almost spit out my morning coffee when I read Bo's latest above. He obviously has no idea who he is spurting off to. I could never imagine Bo attempting to school this gentleman. But wait a minute...I just did.

Another self dug hole from village's favorite...well you know what.

I am familiar with OTL. I owned tube amps as well. I sold a lot tube amps as well.

I am always for the best option possible. I love the sound of tube. But I do not want limitations.

That is why I love the sound of Pass Labs. The new .8 series even come closer to tube sound. But the speed and drive are better.

I am always focussed on a sound what is complete as possible. I love classical music. I want all the timbre to be heard of a violin of Cello.

I love the class A sound of Pass Labs. They also can give a wide and deep stage. This space give me the freedom to create the intimate stage within the wide and deep stage. They also are stunning in speed and drive. This is what it makes it more complete. This gives me more quality what I want and need in my sound.

Because a deep and wide stage without an intimate stage is useless.

So what is a 3D sound?

In the past shows with a wide and deep stage often did not convince me. Because I did not get inside the music. Because when instruments and voices are played too big in proportion it is gone.

Even when you have a wide and deep stage with instruments and voices played in realistic proportion you are still not there.

Instruments and voices need to be what I call 'round' This is the air around instruments and voices what make them become round.

The difference is black is huge when you compare old highend cables from the past with the best new ones.

For those who are not familiar with blacks. Blacks is the space between voices and instruments on a recording. It makes instruments and voices more physical apparent.

At this moment I play with 2 pair of Audioquest Wel Signatures. One still needs to be burned in. 500 hours for each cable. I never auditioned a cable which had such big differences in sound and image during the burning in period.

It sets 3D sound to a higher and new level what is even new for me. I will write a review when the 2nd one is burned in. Differences in heights and place where an instruments or voice is standing on the recording give a different harmonic sound/timbre. Listening with these cables influence the emotion a lot. It is a higher level in 3D sound.

A the end there are many parts to create a better 3D sound. One thing I know for sure is that people prefer 3d sound far over 2d sound.

Dear Bo,

Your tone of voice in your posts and your positioning of yourself as an expert of monumental proportions just suffered a severe blow. The way you rudely and summarily dismissed Atmasphere's comment is at once shocking and yet very telling.

While I have never owned any Atmasphere amplifier nor do I know Ralph beyond his input on these forums, I, like many here, have learned a great deal from his sincere and thoughtful input on a wide variety of subjects. He builds world class products and knows what he is talking about and your cavalier dismissal of his post and additionally, the complete and utter arrogance you demostrated while doing so is simply mind boggling!

At least for my 2 cent interpretation of your actions, I will chalk it up to the observation that English is likely your 3rd or 4th language and that audio is the only hobby that is conducive with living in your parent's basement. Any other explanation from you should probably come with a mea culpa for your comments toward Ralph and the hyperbole you incorrectly asserted toward his very accurate input is at least worthy of an apology. Peace.